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God Ain’t There on the Battlefield
Grace Calderon , Quezon City: Jul 16 2008
Made Popular Jul 16 2008
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God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

The definitions of good and bad are askew on the battlefield. Neither exists over there. There are only good cause and good moves or bad timing and bad days. The words good and bad defy definitions in a time of war. Today, some things can be good for the victor and some, bad for the loser. Tomorrow, the victor scores less.

The battlefield is a place where morality does not exist – cannot exist.

God doesn’t visit there, either.

The myth of war is fraud. And for soldiers, the experience on the battlefield is so ludicrous as to absolutely require the strongest of obscenities.

No one wins in a war.

God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

Does saying someone died for a good cause mean anything? Is the fact that they died saving fellow soldiers or saving the lives of civilians a good thing? When enemies are killed, or when civilians die at the crossfire, what of it? And when they are ordered by their superiors to hide the sordid truth because war crimes are punishable, who can say that that is wrong?

There is, however, moral courage.

When a soldier debunks the myth of war as fraud and calls a battle an enterprise of death and immorality, he condemns himself and his fellow soldiers as killers. Thus, the morally courageous becomes an outcast. Does the outcast become a patriotic soldier, then?

In the war memoir “The Sutras of Abu Ghraib” by Army Reservist Aidan Delgado that appeared in print in 2007, the author describes the attempts of his commanders to suppress the truth about Abu Ghraib, making it appear that Abu Ghraib is just a rumor. His captain said, “We don’t need to air our dirty laundry in public. If you have photos that you’re not supposed to have, get rid of them. Don’t talk about this to anyone, don’t write about it to anyone back home.”

The Winter Soldier investigation just outside Washington D.C in March 2008 was a scene of hard-core U.S. Iraqi veterans shaking at the podium, some in tears. Jon Michael Turner described the horrific incident on April 28, 2008 when he shot an Iraqi boy in front of his father. His commanding officer congratulated him for “the kill.” To a stunned audience, Turner presented a photo of the boy’s skull, and said, “I am sorry for the hate and destruction I have inflicted on innocent people.”

Collateral Damage: America’s War Against Iraqi Civilians” by Chris Hedges and Laila Al-Arian is based on hundreds of hours of taped interviews with Iraqi combat veterans. This pioneering work on the catastrophe in Iraq includes the largest number of eyewitness accounts from U.S. military personnel on record.

A soldier only knows disillusionment. When he turns against the military principle that truth is seditious, and when he starts to seek forgiveness and musters moral courage, his only one hope is to stop denying the truth.

Then, and only then, can he start to heal.

God Ain’t There on the Battlefield

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John mealercompanies.com
Show Low, United States
The bad thing is... War seems to perpetuate. Look at Africa and their nonstop wars. When will they finally get a clue?
The Mideast has been at war forever as well.
It hasn’t been that long since the Irish and the English were fighting and constantly killing each other.

Perhaps God IS war for a lot of people and we see it wrong? Or should I sayd war is god for so many people.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
True. War is god for some. These are the ones who stand to benefit from wars. They are the ones who make wars their business - a business.

There’s a lot of Chinese F-C 1 fighter planes to sell in Africa. There’s oil, glorious oil, to be had no matter if the so-called ’war in terror’ costs 6B USD a year, or somewhere in that area.

The wars of yesteryears were fought over territory, megalomaniac egos, even the hand of a woman.

The wars, today, are simply fought in the name of cash.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
God is there on the battlefield... For God is the greatest entrepreneur...
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”God is there on the battlefield... For God is the greatest entrepreneur...” AMEN!
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Aneez
Mumbai, India
God is there for sure, but more as a spectator to the filthy and destructive act of his creation - and to witness how some of them have devoted themselves to the will of Satan!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hehe.. Aneez, right you are. You so aptly made the no-morality zone a morality play. :)
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
”Don’t talk about this to anyone, don’t write about it to anyone back home.”

Conscious denial

“I am sorry for the hate and destruction I have inflicted on innocent people.”

The guilt will haunt him till he is lowered into the pit at a graveyard.

”when he starts to seek forgiveness and musters moral courage, his only one hope is to stop denying the truth.”

He must also consider reading war poetry, Sassoon and Wilfred Owen are a good start.. For the soldier will know, he was used and ravaged and oh yes violated, just like the ’enemy nation’ was.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thanks for saying it, Jaiyant. The soldier soon realizes that he has been used and continues to be used as an instrument of hate and/or tool of war business, in the name of something called salary which does not really compensate for the destruction of his persona.
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HE is everywhere !!! The only question is how we can see HIM?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hello Dr, thanks for the comment. I wonder where God is in a time of war when even innocent people die. Is he hiding somewhere during those times? With all those people imploring for help, why did God make himself/herself scarce and difficult to be seen?
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It is we who judge them innocent etc. But HE has full knowledge and plan about everyone.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”It is we who judge them innocent etc.” Who judges who as innocent?

It’s interesting to note that you ascribed a male denomination for God. But that’s not the point in this one. :)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”But HE has full knowledge and plan about everyone.”

If HE knows exactly what’s happening, what can his plan be amidst all the destruction?
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That plan can be known to those who can communicate with HIM.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”That plan can be known to those who can communicate with HIM.” Dr., It’s a time of war! Thousands, for sure, communicate with him every given second. Isn’t that a lot of communication? That can be a perfect time for him to lay down his plan that you say he will make known to those who can communicate with him!
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Those who are really fighting are sitting way back in safe locations. Only those who are born to die in the war are employed in the army to fight. It is matter of debate as to whom we call as able to communicate with HIM? As Communication is a two way process. I can say some thing to HIM but can I hear what HE is instructing? The Universal rule clearly defines that let us all live in Peace. Any Body who is in war listens to that?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Why is it so selective as to who are able to communicate with him?

I believe that there’s a universal rule that says let us all live in peace. But what about the innocent victims in a time when there’s no peace? And surely these victims have been calling out to him, wherever he may be out there, in fact.

War is a time that defies all definitions, Dr. It’s hell on earth. It’s a time when God is so direly needed, and yet he doesn’t come by.
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Abdula Rahim
Lahore, Pakistan
When we will understand the plan of GOD, there will not be any fighting among human being.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”When we will understand the plan of GOD, there will not be any fighting among human being.”

It’s a mighty long time that it’s taking to be understood, this plan of God.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
God’s plan is what we make him/her (do i sound better Grace? :)) plan for us.
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Grace,
The concept of god looks so illogical when I see images of war, when I read of innocent children’s limbs torn apart, young children raped and abuse, all horrific reality defying existence of God and even humanity. Every sensitivity seems dead on this planet.
If people do believe that so called ’God’ has a ’purpose’in mind, that purpose must be to invent new ways to kill life on this planet and destroy everything that is good. God looks like an ally of evil.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
You brought up a new insight here, Madhuri. I think it’s because man has attributed some characteristics to a God that man eventually cannot explain when those godly characteristics fall short.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Hi Madhuri, I’m glad you said that.. God DOES look like an ally of evil.. In fact, god is a human construct and so is war. The ’God’s’ plan is nothing but a weak defense mechanism humans use and exploit as well.
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Punishment and Rewards are there in HIS plan also and you never know who is getting the punishment for what kind of sins of the past.
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God is indeed lucky and can get away with anything because so many have faith in him and so many love to become his spokesperson and defend him and his actions or should I say inactions.
Sometimes he seems to be like George Bush.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
George Bush can’t match God’s skills or must I say manipulative nature?
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
What sin had the little boy committed in the past, who was killed by a mortar shell while kicking a tattered football?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
That’s a very secretive god that you’re making out here, Dr.

You make him look like an elitist being with some manipulative bent. :)
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
People can wait for God to come and in the meantime read prayers and build grand temples and places of worship. This person a man or a woman, whoever God is supposed to be, lets say ’it’ will never come. Do people need so many thousands of years to understand this simple thing, that God won’t come to anyone’s rescue..

Waiting for God = Waiting for Godot
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Right, Jaiyant. How come people make it sound like we all have to approach God and seek him out all the time? That can amount to endless waiting!

And when people in a time of war implore and beseech him, suddenly there’s another condition before he responds! :)
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Funnily, it has been in times of war that religious donations start flowing.. The endless wait is necessary for the endless amounts of money to keep flowing in.

My heart goes out to that child and the soldier in the photo.. stuff that nightmares are made of...
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I cried when I found that picture, Jaiyant. It’s a snapshot of two people caught, belonging to two warring camps, in hell that they didn’t make.

Maybe, in that brief shining moment, God smiled! :)
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
I guess I did too!!
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If some one do not know the basic of a language how he can understand the meaning of the words or paragraphs?

Read the article if you want to know something about ”Who Can Communicate with HIM? ”
http://drratansaini.instablogs.com/entry/who-can-communicate-with-him/
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
No one should be spared from being able to communicate with God, Dr. There shouldn’t be a manual or guide for it. It’s instinctual.

You cannot make a formula for this.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Sans a formula, God becomes accessible and accessibility spells doom for the existence of God.. God can survive as long as he/she/it remains elusive.
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Choice is yours, Life is Yours !!!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Right you are, Dr. Saini. You just affirmed that it’s man who determines his state, and not some god. :)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Jaiyant, you came up with another insight on God! I’m glad we’re having different views here. Quite healthy, thank you!

What you’re saying is that God exists so so long as we deem that we need God. And that can be interminable, given the sordid condition of this world.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Thank you too Grace
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Leena
Kolkata, India
Yes Grace, God is not there in war or any other situation where there is injustice and cruelty. God is not him/her/it or any entity. God is what you experience when you do something good and feel good about it.
Though a hypothetical situation, just imagine how beautiful this world would have been if every human being would love each other. God is about that something in you that makes you crave for righteousness, love, honesty, kindness and the stuff....and when these things materialise, the world becomes a paradise.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Oh how lovely what you said, Leena! Thank you. That is one thing I truly believe in, even if I may not call it faith.

God happens when we become humane! God is in us all, each and everyone of us.

And when we start making God an external, objective entity, that’s the time we interpret him/her/it as punishing or rewarding.

There’s no dogma for that. That’s innate, too, found inside us all, we just have to move it.
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That is called confusion:

”God is indeed lucky”

”Sometimes he seems to be like George Bush”

”God is what you experience”

”God an external, objective entity”

When some one is confused about his existence, how he or she can understand HIS plan?
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Since some have no confusion. Hope they understand HIS plan. BTW Does HE have any plan to stop these wars, stop inflation, stop injustice or heal the wounds of wars?
Or is he too busy making lists and punishing people?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
What makes you evaluate the viewpoints of people regarding God as CONFUSING, Dr.?

Do you have the ONE AND ONLY answer to what God is?

No one has a franchise on platitudes and motherhood statements.

Are you so enlightened above us all that we are all now confused and you have the one and only answer as to who God is and where he’s found?

Congratulations, then, for finding him.
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Yes,Grace, I too feel that even spirituality has nothing to do with external God. It is all about connecting with our inner good self and become more humane.
The image of punishing and rewarding God, is a great invention of man to manipulate others.
Terrorists believe jihad is call of their god while western faith wants to counter it. Hindus want to push their faith. God has just become an excuse to wage wars.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hehe...Madhuri! Sometimes, we do feel that man created God and not the other way around. Isn’t that a Communist belief? :):)
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Abdula Rahim
Lahore, Pakistan
No Body can understand GOD’s plan untill HE himself reveals the same. When HE selects a person to reveal HIS plan, that person is becomes absolutely pure from heart and mind so that his solul is ready to recieve HIS words.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hi Abdula! Thanks for the comment. I learned that, too, in my Catholic upbringing - that God’s plan will be revealed via a person that will reveal such a plan.

Believe me, I’ve been waiting for it, too!
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Grace,
Communists have a greater God, the party high command or their politburo or whatever. Someone who has a ’whip’ and cannot be defied.
Like in George Orwell’s Animal Farm, they believe all are equal but some are ’more’ equal.
Take care.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hehe...Madhuri! I really like the way you think, girl! Your ’take care’ sounds ominous, LOL
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I agree with you Mr. Abdula Rahim. But do not expect that your words will be clear to all who those who are not in a position to understand this fact.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
”I agree with you Mr. Abdula Rahim. But do not expect that your words will be clear to all who those who are not in a position to understand this fact.”

Dr, Dr, Dr! Hehe... there you go again being elitist!
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
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and ugliness
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
It’s the best place and time not to look for God, but to find ourselves...

It’s a painful, senseless world, Graeme. I spent a long time looking at the pictures in your nuclear power gallery post.

I couldn’t seem to take my eyes off them...
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
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Leena
Kolkata, India
very true Grace, we have to find ourselves first.Its only when human beings find themselves that all the evil present in this world will end.

The kingdom of God is not up in the sky. You can create it in this world itself and God is nothing but your inner voice. You just need to be aware of it and follow it truely.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Bless the human soul, Leena. I don’t say that within the confines of any religion. It’s just a statement that we can take as it is.

It’s when we lose the confidence (and interest) in ourselves that we can do something, that the chance is grabbed by someone else, thereby accumulating more (and most) of the power there is.

Most of the time, we call on a god because we underestimate ourselves.
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Jayashree
bangalore, India
@Grace When I read the article, I wanted to tell you how nicely you put my confused feelings about war into words that others can understand, too. Then I read the comments, and hey, you’ve opened up a whole new world of discussion here. And I really shouldn’t say any more than that..
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thanks for reading the article, Jayashree! It’s amazing how the article started with war, then proceeded to God, and then back to war. :)

NO TO WAR!
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John mealercompanies.com
Show Low, United States
”God” or better termed, THE CREATOR, created all things including death and war. If people want to believe that their is another being or diety that can create AHY THING than they do cannot believe in A Creator.

War is another way that the Creator brings His people home or puts them int he recycle bin.. Whatever your belief.
War shapes opinions and causes people such us all of us, to make our comments and hopefully and eventually stop warring.

Until a smallchip can be implanted into EVERY CHILDS BRAIN when they are born that will guide us to do exactly as the chip says and no longer argue, fight or want more than what we have... we will always have war.

Whether it’s between a group of jungle natives, a group sand digging oil shieks, or modern militaries trying to preven the spread fromt he smaller groups.. Or worst of nuclear war.

Peace is something that only works when everyone is dead. Just think.. the last man.woman standing would eventually break their peace with their own death or insanity.

George Bush, by the way, is playing as the man preventing war from making it to the USA and Americans should thank him for it.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I miss you, John! You started this thread. Give me a few moments to shake up and ponder on the number of things you raised up here.

Right now, what I can immediately say is that I’m so glad to read a lengthy comment from you that did not include the 3R and McCain! LOL
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John mealercompanies.com
Show Low, United States
I was only serious about the implanting chip deal into a child’s brain so the concept would sink in as ludicrous as it is.
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Patrick
Kingston, Jamaica
There ain't no god on the battlefield and their ain't no got on earth and in the sky and certainly no god inside churches. Only the meek and the excuse seekers try getting the belief into their heads that has no substance. If there was god then there would not have been so much misery in our blue, blue world. Africa, Iraq, Afghan, all oceans and seas.
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John mealercompanies.com
Show Low, United States
Everything that lives must die....
That is what ”God” is about, Patrick.

Suffering on this planet is nothing but part of life, and as sad as it seems to you and I.. It’s just part of the scheme of things.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Hey Patrick, you said it right.. If God existed as they claim it to be, we wouldn’t be witnessing what we are today. Like you put it, someone was right when they said ’God is an excuse’..
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
God is a defense mechanism people use to feel protected, to feel nurtured and mothered. A child has it’s parents to be looked after, as the child grows up, it faces a lonely world, without a nurturer, a mother or a father figure.. That is when people ’create’ God to feel mothered and looked after, to feel guided and safe. An exaggeration of super ego, God veils the truth.. truth of nothingness.

Somewhere along the way entrepreneurs used this weakness of humans to cash in..
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John mealercompanies.com
Show Low, United States
Wow.. You wound like one of those Obama supporters who is too smart for their own good.
Kind of like not eating beef because someone said it causes global warming or is a reincarnated relative.

The EGO is saying it is all YOU and not a higher being or at least ’fate’ or whatever.... But you. by yourself mean nothing as there is nothing you can change unless you strap a bomb around your waist and walk into a coffee shop. Then again, when you die and how you die has been determined long ago.

Jaiyant, why would you be so cunical of other people’s ’hope’? Why not just consider it that much at least and let the people have their hope.

Many things are best explained as acts of God vs whatever term you might use.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Okie John, You are free to keep hoping and dreaming. I do hope your dreams come true. The few words I said won’t stop people from hoping. Cheers
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
God is an immigrant refugee from Sudan and works in a 7-eleven on Miami Beach.
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Grace,
You have generated great volley of comments and debate.
Good to have such loud brainstorming.
I hope someday all soldiers will put down arms and say a loud ’No TO WAR’.
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Lily
London, United Kingdom
Meaning of Faith ?

Faith is a belief in the trustworthiness of an idea that has not been proven.
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Dictionary meaning has no value for people who have closed their eyes.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
So you go by the dictionary meaning to support your faith? I’m wonder struck at your ability to guess whose eyes are closed.. Wow
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The above conversation cleanly tells, who has faith and who is confused with closed eyes.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Yes Doctor it sure does.. It’s time you removed your blindfolds. Have a nice day.
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Abdula Rahim
Lahore, Pakistan
It is surprising to note that lead editor of this popular site is putting such poor comments.
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
Me ? Geez - look at the links I put up...

and get a sense of humour...
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
I’ll reword that.

I am a little light-hearted about some things, not others. I respect all faiths. All Gods. One God.

I think God is everywhere. In every thing and in every moment. We describe God different ways but we are essentially talking about the same thing.

God is there on the battlefield. Perhaps all those higher and holy ethical principles we all would choose to derive from God are valid and real but somehow become suspended on the battlefield. Of necessity for survival, quite probably.

In the end, war is just utter madness.

I feel that peace must be a stronger affirmation of God than war could ever be.
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Abdula Rahim
Lahore, Pakistan
Dignity and coutsey of disgreement should be shown for everybody.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hallelujah! Thank you, Graeme for saying it! INTER-FAITH tolerance and acceptance is what will end some wars.

Not to mention the one that’s happening here on this post. This has become a battlefield of sorts, as well.

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!

But, anyway, the crux of this article is really WAR. :)
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Sukhbahar
Ludhiana, India
All the talk about God is actually based out of fear, and radical following of faith breeds superstitions. I am an atheist and I am perfectly comfortable with the fact that I am surrounded by more believers than ones like myself. It is time people come out from darkness towards light.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Good point, Sukhbahar! It’s religion that breeds fear. And out of that streams a whole universe of superstition.

I am not an atheist, but I accept what you believe completely!
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Yash
Gwalior, India
This God business has become a multi-trillion dollar industry worldwide. Charlatans are minting money like never before. How many times we have come across such fakies in India? There are more godmen than we have ever had before. We have a million and half TV channels dedicated to spiritualism.

There is no accountability of the money that is pouring in from people blinded with superstitions who call themselves believers thus causing Heaven Inc.'s stocks beat every known industry's on this planet. Now they are digging up the ghosts of old holy men like Shirdi Sai Baba to make a quick buck. If there was really a god, all these things would not have happened.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thank you for bringing that up, Yash. Oh, yes, religion is being milked as a cash cow by some! It’s an extremely lucrative business, in fact. And they capitalize on trying to make people believe that they have the answer to the hardships and woes of humanity.

Shrewd businesspeople, these are!
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Gaurav
Banglore, India
@ Grace, Dr. Ratan Saini, Jaiyant Cavale, Graeme, Abdula Rahim (especially) and all other commenters and readers.

Guys please chill. Science is on the verge of proving that there is God if it has not already done so in its own small way by now. Now he might not have known (or he might have) but Albert Einstein have played his part in proving god. And he was not the only one. Max Planck, Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, Erwin Schrodinger, and dozens of others played significant part.

Please read on...

Abdula Rahim said; "No Body can understand GOD’s plan untill HE himself reveals the same". And by Joe, he is correct!!!

How can you classify something that can never be verified by direct observation? Where direct observation automatically negates the validity of the observation? God of course! Someone whose invisible forces run counter to Newton's laws of thermodynamics, allowing for everything from time travel to bilocation to teleportation to free energy.

This is exactly what Quantum Physics proves.

For more details on this interesting subject please click here.

Please Note: People without sense of humour may please excuse themselves, though, they may chose to mind my words (and thoughts).
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
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I don’t know that Quantum Physics, technically, proves anything (other than the veracity of a certain theory over a certain range of measurable/observable phenomena). It is a marvellous theory, or group of theories, and the evidence is fantastic for its veracity. However, it is not the final point in the process of humanity learning the nature of reality. (With the discovery of the electron at the end of the 19th century it was proclaimed that all physical science was at an end and we have come so very, very far since then.)

Looking into modern scientific cosmology it is painfully apparent that for all of our success with science and scientific explanation - there will always be loopholes and anomalies (logically and physically). Quantum theory is a stepping stone in the direction of more unified theories. Look at Brane theories to see just how bizarre theory has become.

I believe in General Relativity, I believe in thermodynamics. I believe that if there is a God or universal spirit that we are not being watched by them, or they are not separate to us - we are inside them. Holistic theory requires such a take, such a topological inversion. There is no outside of the Whole - everything is internal and all things and beings are like internal extensions of the system.


Anyway... I am Buddhist agnostic. Sitting on the fence between God and no-God, I see that there is no fence and that God is something so subtle and vast as a concept that it can both exist and not-exist - it transcends even logic.

If one chooses to posit free will from God as the reason why people commit horrendous battlefield acts, this no less makes the responsibility that of the individual. If there is or isn’t a God, the individual is left alone on the battlefield to make their choices and act accordingly. Very often, others will make the decisions for them...
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
Oh, and... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory.

For your multidimensional delectation.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Whew, Graeme! That M-Theory with mother, master, milkman, mendicant, etc etc. (LOL! Just kidding) sounds like a node in Carl Jung’s mind!
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
Hey Gracie,

I am, it seems, the Milkman of Human Kindness. And I am too Jung to be a Freud. :P

:)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Ok, Graeme. I’ll take it as it is. I know the song. I listen to Billy Bragg, too. And yes, you’re Jungian at this point! LOL
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Desh
Shimla, India
No one wins the war well that is the golden line and something that the WMDs need to understand as soon as possible. History is the proof that guns and swords never won a war and at the end everything was settled with negotiations. So, is it necessary - particularly to US and those who support war against Iran or did so in Afghanistan ’s and Iraq’s case - for the world to understand that it can lead the world to a brink where after there will be none to negotiate... And please stop cursing god for human errors. when we fail or do something that becomes necessary for us to hide from others in order to protect our image or interests, we use the handy tool (god). We faced the evil consequences because we account for it, not the god.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Desh! I believe you. Though it might be a bit uncomfortable negotiating with a loaded gun. Just kidding!

But it is absolutely necessary to obliterate the need for firearm of the massive kind. You put it so succinctly: ”...to a brink where after there will be none to negotiate.”

I thought that was poetic. :)
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Bijoy
tinsukia, India
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Gaurav thank god you did put the footnote or else I am sure i was on the verge of landing up in a mental asylum being branded an insane,lunatic,weird and what not.

On a lighter note, just come to think of it Albert Einstein’s soul visiting tonite in ur bed, not to give you nightmares, but to say a BIG THANKS just for advocating the notion that science too believes the existence of God.

Waiting eagerly for some more !
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This is becoming confusing.
First of all; No one claimed in any comment that God was responsible for War.
Secondly all human beings including scientists have a right to choose their faith and belief. What Einstein said;GOD DOES NOT PLAY A GAME OF DICE, was in in context of birth of new probabilistic concepts in Quantum Physics. He never validated presence of a God who keeps records and punishes mankind by wars.
For knowing Einstein’s faith and belief in his own words read: Ideas and Opinions by Albert Einstein.
Thirdly, Science does not have any proof of God. What remains unexplained and unexplored and is beyond realm of current experimental research is often attributed to God or Nature.
All scientists mentioned by Gaurav and all commentators on this article I am sure want to an end to war crimes and war against humanity.
Instablogs is a place to debate and make a chain of thoughts. There might be difference of opinion but that is never meant as an attack on the person Place an argument against a argument.
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
You know, it’s interesting that Einstein somewhere defines the most ideal social system as ”Anarchy”. From the original Greek meaning - without overarching structure; in our terms - without a centralised power system.
(”Anarchy” as used in the modern media has little to do with the original, political meaning).

You have to wonder that if we didn’t have these rigidly delineated social systems, if they wouldn’t have to butt up against each other in war and all instances of ”politics by other means”.

In the end, God or no-God, battlefield or no battlefield, we are all just simple human beings left to clean up the mess afterwards and like the young soldier carrying the (probably) dying child at the top of this page, there is no ultimate justification for the violent taking for life and our personal encounters with this (directly or indirectly) are likely to be soul-destroying.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
@ Gaurav

Ever the pragmatist that I am, there’s only one thing I can say. Science can, and will, never prove that there is a God in the contextual meanings ascribed to him/her/it by various religions. This is for the singular reason that science and religion are in a race to decipher the mysteries of the universe.

Think of it like two parallel lines in forward motion, never meeting, never colliding, never at one point, in contact with each other – moving in the same direction.

When science so much as encroaches on the territory occupied by God, science loses its worth and usefulness - completely. Because God exists (applicably) where science cannot.

Science and religion negate each other’s validity.

That’s the whole point of the organized structures of religion. They serve as dogma where formulae are not available.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
GOD, when will this discussion turn back to WAR? It’s where I wanted it to go, right from the start! LOL
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Grace,
Here too ’GOD’ lead to the arguments and war of words!:)
LOL
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Here is link to another post which stemmed from these arguments:
http://abhi_kg.instablogs.com/entry/who-created-god/
:)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
This post is now 3 days old. This is a fitting time to close the discussion and, perhaps, summarize it briefly. It’s interesting to note the winding course it took. It started with war, went on to God, then religion, then back to war – finally, ending with us. Yes, us, because if (or since) there is a God, he/she/it is in each one of us – empowering us to move, make decisions, and act.

I found that picture first before I wrote this article – that picture at the top of this post. I’m always guided by images. Maybe, that’s the training I got from being a documentary filmmaker.

That is a picture of a soldier trying to save the life of a little Iraqi child, not knowing that the child had already died in his arms. He is seen running away from a blast that just occurred, with the child held tight. He is probably a father, too, with a child that age back home.

The child is dead. The soldier, nobody would know if he made it out of Iraq alive.

It is a picture of two human beings caught in hell neither of them chose nor wanted to happen. They are STATISTICS of a war – nothing more, nothing special. Just single digit entries in a figure that runs several zeros.

Some of you might say war is as necessary as peace. Granted. The only difference is that everyone has everything to gain in a time of peace. But the inescapable reality is that NO ONE WINS IN A WAR.

War is a self-defeating guaranteed destruction of the human race, either by physical death or collective moral demise. It is a surefire method of destruction of this species (and many others, collaterally).



Maybe, just maybe, in that glimpse of time, caught by the snapshot above, God smiled upon a soldier and a child.



I want to thank everyone who shared his or her insight to this post, as well as all the others who read the article.


Mabuhay!

God bless us all.



NO TO WAR!
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