
For the past 30 years, radical Islamists have wanted to run and own southern Philippines. In spite of the long-drawn peace talks between the Philippine government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), numerous ceasefires and truces, as well as violations of ceasefires, the MILF will not settle for anything less than owning part of the Philippines.
The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) is a militant rebel group that does not want to recognize the Philippines’ constitution and secular government. The MILF which has a long-term aim of creating a separate Islamic state in southern Philippines has not only become the country’s largest rebel group but a Muslim terrorist group. Operating openly across large areas of Mindanao, the MILF has set up checkpoints and even shadow governments in a number of towns and villages.
Southern Philippines has also become a microcosm of how radical Islamists have been destroying the Islam religion.

Islamism not just posits a political role for Islam, but also believes that the Islamist views merely reflect Islam. It asserts that Islam can never be apolitical. Islamists ask the question, “If Islam is a way of life, how can we say that those who want to live by its principles in legal, social, political, and economic spheres of life are not Muslims, but Islamists and believe in Islamism, not [just] Islam?”
The MILF, putting emphasis on its Islamic roots because many of its senior figures are clerics, has had broad popular support in rural areas where the lack of economic development has encouraged dissent.
The group has made it clear that it will not settle for anything less than self-rule for Muslims in Mindanao.
This has led to on-off negotiations with the Philippine government over a period of several years, popularly dubbed as the “peace process.” The MILF, however, has been violating on-off ceasefire agreements. Despite the truce, skirmishes continue between government troops and MILF militants.

Many of the MILF’s political leaders are former mujahideen or holy warriors. They volunteered to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan, and had US backing to do it. Al Haj Murad, the MILF’s vice chairman for military affairs, met with Osama Bin Laden in the 1980s.
Both the US and Philippine governments suspect that members of the MILF have helped train Indonesians connected to Jema’ah Islamiah (JI), the group accused of carrying out the 2002 Bali bombing. The MILF does not deny that it has welcomed foreign visitors to its camps in the past, but its leaders say it has nothing to do with JI or al-Qaeda. These suspected links with foreign terrorist groups are what have been complicating the peace process.
In March 2007, the Philippine government offered to recognize the right of self-determination for the Muslims in Mindanao – something it had never done in over three decades of conflict and intermittent negotiations.

The Philippine government, however, has persisted to negotiate a peace deal with a group that does not like peace. Besides violating ceasefire agreements, the MILF has always refused to disarm its armies (estimated to be as high as 45,000 strong). The terrorist group has not closed down its paramilitary facilities (numbering at least 40 on the island of Mindanao alone). Before its main camp had fallen to Philippine military, Camp Abubakar was used as a training ground for combatants. It was a 10,000-hectare compound ran largely by Arabs that had trained 2,000 terrorists, many of them foreigners. Camp Abubakar’s course of study included lessons in assault weapons, stealth operations, hand-to-hand combat, and bomb-making.
On August 5, 2008, the Philippine government and the MILF were scheduled to sign a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA) on the recognition of the ancestral domains of the MILF. However, the Supreme Court of the Philippines issued a Temporary Restraining Order against the signing when local government officials filed an injunction, claiming that they were not consulted on the drafting and execution of the MOA.
In the early dawn of August 18, 2008, elements of the MILF-Bangsamoro Islamic Armed Forces’ 102nd Base Command under Cmdr. Bravo Macapaar conducted swift, simultaneous raids on government and military installations in the coastal municipalities of Lanao del Norte. Passenger buses plying the highway were caught in the crossfire. Civilian casualties were incurred. Houses, buildings, and vehicles were torched. Civilian hostages were used as human shield when soldiers arrived. Thousands of civilian refugees, Muslims and Christians, fled their homes along the coast as battles raged between the Muslim mujahideen guerillas and reinforcing government forces.
The MILF calls the August 18 incidents as sending a clear message to the Philippine government and all Filipinos. The group has stated that it will not agree to revisit or renegotiate the Memorandum of Agreement on Ancestral Domain (MOA-AD), even if it means the impasse of the peace talks indefinitely.

For 30 years, the Philippine government has been putting up with radical Islamists in the Philippines. The country has persisted to deal with this group peacefully and with reconciliation through a consistent peace process.
Islam is said to be a religion that advocates peace, with one of its teachings as ‘reconciliation is the best’ (4:128). The current resurgence of the Mindanao War is proof that radical Islamists do not like peace and reconciliation. They, therefore, slaughter the very religion they go by.
Radical Islamists do not tolerate democracy. It is a complete shame that it takes a democracy to tolerate them.
And in most cases in the modern society, Islamic fundamentalists have continue to force liberal and moderate Muslims to join their crusade, which really is unfortunate.
I think now all religious leaders and followers should take responsibility for all the violence that occurs in the name of religion. Instead of distancing themselves from the issues saying that extremists are misinterpreting word of God, they must step in to influence extremists and fanatics to give up this slaughter.
What is particularly annoying and terrifying with radical Islamism is its political ambition that can also be fanatical.
And what’s more, radical Islamists think, in their minds and heart of hearts, that by pursuing a political agenda, they are simply being obedient Muslims.
The interpretations of religious dogma can be appalling and scary!
But the scary thing is: they do not even think that what they’ve done is wrong. The fanatical mind is mad!
Radical Islamists think that by doing what they do, they are actually being true to their Muslim religion!
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And it’s equally maddening to see Muslim findamentalists/radical Islamists shout ”Allahu Akbar!” before and after a kill. It’s so eerie, surreal, and disturbingly barbaric.
Religion puts most people in some sort of drunken stupor.
This is indeed sad. I wish Muslims wud read and know the ’Message’ and not jump into things propagated by some Mullahs or ignorant ple.
Well, come to Allah hu Akbar now. It means ”God is the greatest”, however the context they are using in aint appropriate. Secondly, u said they dont even know what they are doing is wrong and believe to be rightoeus, dearie, this is true to everybody, not to Muslims alone. There are ple who are proud to be Atheists whereas they dont even know they are wrong, there are ple who give status of God to animals or humans, they dont even know they are wrong and they beleive to be true lovers of God. There are those who indulge in homosexulaity and justify it, they dont know they are wrong, there are those who sleep with 100 diffreent partners, they dont know they are wrong... i dont mean to sugest that these acts of Muslims are correct, they are not but its not Muslims monopoly; everyone does wat he or she thinks is right. Hindus used to make the widows burn alive if their husband would die, ( i dont if they still do), they didnt know that is wrong.
So we all have our own definitions of rights and wrongs. According to Allah, the worst sin is to associate any partner with Him, but so many ple do so in the name of God; they dont know they are wrong. Looking at nude pics or talking abt sex as if fun with strangers is wrong but ple do it and they say its a joke and we are doing so for fun, they dont knwo they are wrong.
Then, as far as barabaric practices go, i think there are more non-Muslims involved in them than Muslims.Islam is in no way barbaric, some Muslims sure would be. All we know are these few Muslims fighters being barbaric, whereas there are barbaric faiths who worhip objects and animals and humans and justify it. There are barbaric practices in churches by nuns and priest themselves... I think i dont need to mention wat these are. So barbarianism aint Muslims monopoly. They are killing some humans which is surely wrong and cant be justified but we dont like to admit that there are those who kill ’humanism’ itself which is worse. We kill humanism wen we deny God, wen u associate parners with HIm, when kill in His name, wen we have sex hiding in churches, wen we kill female chidlren in the wombs of their mother (in this case, sadly India is one of the toppers.) wen we say animals are gods, wen u say sun is God, wen u say ple are untouchable...
So lets see barbarianism and madness in totality, not the madness of Muslims alone which is nowadays a very spicy subject for all.
Lastly, i pray and hope that some real leanred ple come in front and educate these Muslims who have been mislead. We need more ple like Dr. Zakri, Yousaf Estes, Ahmed Deedat and Harun Yahya instead of traditional Mullahs with half knowledge and lack of wisdom... its them i think who misguide the young in the name of Allah and jihad.
Allah Knows the best.
Females of Rajputana prefered to die by burning themselves en-masse than go to the harem of Muslim invaders on the defeat of the their kingdom’s army in battle to keep their honour intact. That act was called Johar. It is not practised now.
Hindu believes that God is present in all living beings be it plants, animals, human beings, etc. It also feels the presence of the Lord in all non living things. Its a belief of faith. It may be wrong for you. But then, it is your opinion.
It surely is everyone’s choice wat appeals to them and wat they wud like to adhere. But you see, i feel there is an ultimate truth, THE TRUTH, which is with God alone and we ple will only get to know it on Doomsday. Thats why i always say let Him judge.
Howver, we are digressing from the subject and that might annoy Grace ...LOL... coming bak to the sibject, killing any innocent person watver faith he has in WRONG if he does not kill or harm u in anyway. But you see its not the Muslims alone who are killing ple. Killing your daughter in the womb is a more heinous a crime but when we have to point out madness and barbarianism, we have Islam as our target.
I sincerely pray that we all come out of this barbarianism be it in the form of killing ple, of females children, or changing sex, homosexuality, free sex, faith or whereever it exists.
I feel we should all pray to God to show us wat actual evil, barbarianism and madness is and then may He help us to follow it too. Ameen
Regards,
The concept of God has been varying ever since. As you said, you find presence of Him in everything, we also beleive that these are all His creation and His signs and we respect all. But the problem from the time to Adam to Prophet (PBUH) was that ple sanctified certain creations so much that they started to worship them... like some wroship natural obejcts or humans or animals. Allah told us that worship not the sun or the moon or the things that benefit u, infact, worship the one who created them. Sensible or not? Makes sense to me atleast.
The Christains loved and made chrsit so sacred that they made him His son. So Allah told us in the Quran that He doesnt have sons or daughters or partners in His lordship becuase these are human atributes, He is beyound all such things.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) warned Muslims that we must no give him a status like the christains gave the chirst. So human is the best form of His creation even then we dont worhip a human for that matter. We beleive Prophet (PBUH) is most elevated in all humans yet we do not worship him. This is basically the concept of Oneness of God in Islam. He is One and nothing can dipict him. SAy we say children are Bhagwan ka roop, yet can we say a child is God? No . Why? Coz he may be as pure as God but he is not as mighty as Him. So God has numerous attributes. Yes they remind us of Him, His beauty, His power, His purity, yet He is too great to be contained in them. Thanks for listening; jsut sharing information :)
I am amazed, but why do have to take such a offensively defensive stand? Nobody is blaming you or your religion.
We all trying to find a way out, when separatists are slaughtering people in the name of religion. I guess all religious people and humanists agree that killing of innocent men, women and children is a wrong means to get to any end.
Now coming to a person sleeping with 100 people. I’m sure It would be difficult to find 100 sexual partners at once or even in a person’s whole life time. If he/she did find so many, that only shows the person is attractive or worth dating. Sleeping with many people isn’t the problem, but staying loyal is. A person who cheats his/her partner and ends up having sex with 2 people is worse than a person who sleeps with random people but is not committed to anyone. So, polygamy and androgamy is sicker, I must say.
I don’t profess a religion but if I were forced to, Sun is a good choice, for it is because of Sun that we all exist. So, I guess I would offer my respects to him, the Sun. I refuse to talk about ANY RELIGION. I’m not against what you believe or your religion, but certain things which you have stated here.
Looking at pornography may seem wrong to you, but it has been used in sexual therapy by sexologists for childless couple. And it seems to have worked.
Maybe one should just live as human beings and let others stay human too. I remember as a kid, my friends would say ’Live and Let Live’. though it is naive and simple and has none of the great theological and philosophical clutters, it conveys the most important duty of us as human beings.
So Live and Let Live. Let us revert back to humanity before it is too late.
Peace and happiness.
Homosexuality may not be bad or wrong for some, sleeping around may not be bad for some... i just stated if you had read being unbiased that ’to some’ these things are wrong.
Its your choice to worship the sun or watever as it gives u light... its a matter of wat apeals to ones mind that a fire of ball can be God if light and heat comes from it, its your choice and everybody’s... i have no problems with that but to some it is wrong... so can we cant make everyone beleive what we do? The better option is to respect all, thats wat i do. And all i said is that right and wrong varies from person to person. And if you have read clearly, i have already condenmed killing of anyone in the name of religion.
I pointed out some other facts which kill humanism like killing your daughters in the womb, buring the widow with the husband, nuns and preists having sex, worshiping animals etc. to tell that barbarianism aint the monopoly of any faith or a particular ple.
But can u tell me, wats the benchmark of right or wrong? Some dont mind sleeping with their daughter, so they are free and we should let them live, right? What u and i dont have a problem with aint necaasaryily has to be the truth for all. We need to cling to those human values which have exisited forver and abhore those which have been detested forever.
I hav obsrved some ple dont like their religions and dont like to stick to them... may b because they dont underrstand it, may b because they find fault with it.. or watever i dunno... Can u tell me wat is the benchmark for right and wrong for us? For us all? To me it is those values which Islam had given me because i dont find a single fault with Islam, whereas i kwno many Christains and Hindus who dont agree with their own books or find fault with certain concepts. But i ask u a simple question, do we have any benchmark for the entire mankind as to wat is right and wat is wrong?
If we do, its easy to judge and if dont then we all can have our own definitions and declare others acts as barbaric as we have our own defintiions of right and wrong.
I take all the criticism against Islam which is infact the fault of some folowers and not the faith itself dear but i have found that others get on fire if the wrong within their own societies or faiths is mentioned. They should also have the heart to hear the truth on their side, just as we Muslims hear the truth abt ourslevs and admit that some Mulsims are doing wrong. But just as Grace mentioned that Muslims who kill dont even know they are wrong, similarly, may b u think certain things are not an issue but wat if they are? HAs God come down to u and me to tell wat he aproves and wat he does not? NO. But i have my book which has clearly stated the evil and goodness and everything which humanity needs in the form of guidence. Its your choice to have any faith or worship watever, but i stick to wat makes sense to my mind and my book tells me wat is right and wat is not and it makes sense to me. May b i am stupid coz i am not as liberal or an Athesist like some ple here. To them its ”kool” not to have a God or listen to Him, but to me its a shame coz wat my Lord has taught me i am fully satisfied with it as its perfect and flawless. So let God be the judge between us all...
I will never stop u from living my friend, in fact, i am leaving this forum coz i dont belong here. A dove stays with doves, cats with cats, loins with loins... So worry not :) I am gone ... almost...LOL
I forgot to mention that it is Allah who has told me that homosexulaity aint good and sleeping with even one person (if you cant find 100 ;)) is wrong if it is out of marraige. Thats is the differnce between humans and animals; aint abt being attractive or ugly ... LOL
Allah has said to us that if u find someone attractive, pls mary him, hav sex and live... wat do u say ;)....?
oh i am sorry. Ok this time i am surly not returning at insta. as I dont wanna scare none. Take care. Allah Hafiz and Byez :)
I am sorry if anything i said hurt your sentiments :)
Apologize for wat yar? I said i hav no problem with u or anyone man. Just that i feel telling wat i have inside of me here wont really matter as our frequencies are not the same, our thoughts are not the same and i dont like war-like envirnment where i have to justify Allah or Islam and ple mock at it etc.
Everyone feels happy with the ones of their own like i think. And my inspirations are Prophet (PBUH), Rumi, Nizamuddin Awliya, Khawaja Moin ud din Chisti and others... this forum probably aint the rigt place for these guys. But i am not leaving completely, i will reappear wen i feel there is need to intrude...LOL... I wonder where Grace is wen we hav created such an emotinal episode here LOL :)))
Only You
Only you
I choose among the entire world.
Is it fair of you
letting me be unhappy?
My heart is a pen in your hand.
It is all up to you
to write me happy or sad.
I see only what you reveal
and live as you say.
All my feelings have the color
you desire to paint.
From the beginning to the end,
no one but you.
Please make my future
better than the past.
When you hide I change
to a Godless person,
and when you appear,
I find my faith.
Don’t expect to find
any more in me
than what you give.
Don’t search for
hidden pockets because
I’ve shown you that
all I have is all you gave.
RUMI
(WHIRL WHIRL... HU HU HU)
I am amazed, but why do have to take such a offensively defensive stand? Nobody is blaming you or your religion.
We all trying to find a way out, when separatists are slaughtering people in the name of religion. I guess all religious people and humanists agree that killing of innocent men, women and children is a wrong means to get to any end.
I dunno why u find my opinion defensive; i have already condenmed killing ple unduly in the name of Allah or jihad. My point is only as i mentioned that we should see the whole picture not parts and then blame whoever or find a solution. Barbarianism and madness is all around us... we should find a solution for all the issues. Killing any innocent ple in the name of religion or war on terror or baby girls in the wombs as an act of terror. I am against all such killings watever faith or watever region they fall under.
Its strange Jai that u like Rumi and Hafiz and their poetry, but u cant appreciate their Beloved (Allah) and His teachings... tsk tsk tsk
Islamist seperatists are fighting in Grace’s country for a right to be free to practice their belief and faith as they want in their own area.Same as Muslim’s in Kashmir;or Iraq or Afghanistan...what do you have against them if they are willing to die for for their right to a descent existance?Remember even in your history INA were heroes.What about Tamils they are doing the same in Sri Lanke ...and some other Christan’s the same in Indonesia ;Is Christianity a terrorist religion then?
The problem is not people dying in the name of religion, problem is the killing and slaughtering of innocent people in the name of religion...
Why don’t they choose to fast until death? It’ll be more effective...
I too was wondering about last two bold lines. You think a solution can’t be found within democracy? Is tolerance a major drawback of democracy?
:)
If only they lived the main values of Islam they’d realise that their actions are in essence Un-Islamic. No doubt Islam allows people to get involved politically, but to go as far as killing people and kidnapping people to make a point is ridiculous.
Let’s call it what it is, it’s not Islam, it’s terrorism.
Madhuri’s first comment quoting you says it all. Islam is no longer what the religion originally began as. It began in the name of freedom, in the name of equality- now it is akin to torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’. It is sad that people fight in the name of religion, when they’re really fighting for their own selfish desires. Humans seem to believe the best way to justify their actions is to drag religion (unwilling) into it- even as they do everything that goes against their religion.
Funny, how some people can think of religion and quote words of people long dead, when they forget that we are first born as humans -not belonging to any religion- and are unable to treat other humans with respect and, if not love, then at least with tolerance.
Hey Grace, be safe, ’Godspeed’!
I agree with you - religion and religious sentiments are becoming greater than humanity...
:)LOL
Helo dearie. Its me the sinner of humanity and the one who ’enstrangled’ Jia because he had no answer to my some questions except for a kool ’Duh’. People who are are not in favor of any religion and want to put fingers in their ears when they hear of it, have their own definitions of humanism or humanity. Just like to some homo-buisness is not an insult to humanity, sleeping around is ok business, worshiping animals and killing baby girls in the womb is not a big issue and the only issue of concern in today’s world are the few Muslims who are killing around. They are wrong all agree and all sane Muslims are against it themselves. BUt i ask u just as i asked someone here, how many Muslims torture u in India? HOw many of them kill the hindus becasue they are kafir? How come India has more than 80% Hindus when they were ruled by Muslims for more than a 1000 years? So Islam is hatred or bloodshed as u stated is bogus.
My dear, Islam is as pure as it was always and we still have equality in our persaonl and social lives. We treat no one as untouchable and pray and eat together on the same table. There are some bad sheep and everyone condenms them. So why are u sad? I just enriched the subject by adding a few more barbaric and inhuman practices going on in the world. Why is it so hard for ple to digest if it is associated to their societies or faiths? See, we Msulims still have a bigger heart coz we take crticism positively and even agree where we are wrong.
Then, again, why are u guys so negative towards religions? All religions profess goodness and humanity, but wat makes u so uncomfortable with them that u need to invent another faith that is, humanism or humanity? I mean aint your religion human enough to be your identity? Islam is perfect for that matter and we are more than happy to be Muslims coz it has taught us humanism and humanity in practical terms.
Lastly, no Muslim hates any non- Muslim. I personally have seen more Hindi movies than the Islamic books that i have read. So dont be insecure and biased towards us, we have no problems from u or your faith except that you should have an open and a fair approach towards all evils not the bad actions of Muslims alone. Take care.
Helo Madhuri, yar can u define wat humanism or humanity is ? If religion is not wat tells us right and wrong good and bad, humanism or humanity, then pls tell me your openminded philosophy of humanity so that i may evaluate if its better than my faith and cling to it. Pls tell me how u define humanity?
If humanism is to let all live, Islam already has told us that. Islam has already told that there is no compulsion in faith and we should all let them live their way. But is humanism abt letting everyone do watever they feel like? In this case, we cant condenm the rapists, the robbers, the murderers.... why cant we let them live? They are alss humans arent they?
Islam condenms evil and not humans. But if your humanisn says that even evil should have the right to live then i have no answer to that.
Pls do share wat humanism to u mean. I am waiting :)
If you must know we Muslims know that every child is born Muslim.
This means that when children are born, they are as pure, innocent and have not ability to sin. This is the way in which ALLAH (SW)has created manking and they way he wants us to be.
He wants us to be as loyal and those children who are unable to hurt even a simple fly.
That’s whay he bestowed upon us Islam as a mercy for us to follow and millions of Muslim practice it as it is—- i mean originally.
However, when we grow up and become adults, people take different ways of life and believes.
But Islam remains pure and original and shall always be.
It’s anatural system that can out live you yet you can’t outlive it.
Islam never changes even if people try to interpret it in different ways.
Just to prove to you, the Quranic verses, unlike the bible have remained intact and cannot be changed or altered by any one. If one tried to do so, it would clearly come out. Infact such attemptys to alter the Quran have been made but have always failed because the Quran has been preserved through the generations not just by paper but by the power of human memory.
And, Islam remains a religion of freedom and equality.
It’s the only religion with the ability to bring together human race in one single incident - Harj.
It’s also the only religion where can kings mix or eat with street beggers. Amazing isn’t it?
Yes those who misterprete it are a few that’s why you see rebellious groups that torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’. But is not only the rebellious Muslims who do this.
to.Americans and Israelis have had their share of such things.
When did I ever say I’m non-religious? I cannot believe I could be replying to your comment without having read it first, so I assure you, I don’t stuff my ears with fingers or anything else when I hear the world religion.
And you aren’t taking criticism lightly. NONE of us, starting with the post, have insulted Islam, or believe the religion to be impure or Muslims to be killers. You are missing the whole point of the article and the discussion here. It is only about the wrongdoings IN THE NAME of religion. Whether done by a Muslim, Hindu, Satanist, Atheist- a sin is a sin and the religion they follow need not be dragged into it. And don’t say Muslims have been created with ’a bigger heart’. Aren’t we all born equally big-hearted?
And if you are going to talk about openness and fairness, then open your eyes wide and read the comments that YOU have written here. It does not sound fair to me.
PS: Cross my heart and hope to die, if I have ever insulted Islam or any other religion.
hhahhaa... jaya pls dont die plsssss. I wrote from my very first comment that these Muslims are doing wrong if they kill innocent ple in the name of Allah or jihad. Didnt i? U said nobody is saying Islam is bad and u just wrote this : ”Islam is no longer what the religion originally began as. It began in the name of freedom, in the name of equality- now it is akin to torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’” .... u wrote this and now u say that nobody says anything bad abt Islam? wel wel wel...
I hav myself condenmed this stupidity of these ple and along with that i simply pointed out that the world i ful of such madness regardless of faith or region. Is that wrong? And i didnt mean that YOU dont like religion, u here meant ple generally dont like talking abt religion, thats all. So dont misunderstand.
I know the aim of this article is positive and i have only added to let ple know that how crazy our world is, not just Muslims. Is that wrong? And Okile has added some very significant points in his comments.
So from my end, take a chill pill ;)))
When I said Islam is ’akin’ to torture (blah blah..), I was saying that is how people SEE Islam today (only Muslims are at fault for that). Muslims fight in the name of religion, when they need not. I was not saying that Islam IS hatred, rather that it is PERCEIVED as hatred.
Yes, you did say they were wrong in what they did. Then you went on to condemn things like atheism and homosexuality (that need not be condemned), saying ’ppl don’t know they are wrong’. Those words are what started the furor here, they were most judgemental, and I thought you left all judgements to God.
I commented here, becasue I don’t believe in faith-bashing. If it is Islamophobia today, it may be Hindu-ophobia tomorrow. For our acts, let us denouce the people, and not the religion.
And don’t worry, Fariha, I’m not dying yet. Perhaps, God hasn’t given up on me yet, huh?
Hey, it seems you also misunderstood what I was saying. I never realised it could be seen that way. I’ve already told Fariha what my words meant, let me tell you again in case you’ve missed the comment -> ”When I said Islam is ’akin’ to torture (blah blah..), I was saying that is how people SEE Islam today (only Muslims are at fault for that). Muslims fight in the name of religion, when they need not. I was not saying that Islam IS hatred, rather that it is PERCEIVED as hatred.”
I know Muslims believe children are born with a pure mind and as Muslims (that is why they don’t have a ritual like ’baptism’, right?) And I know the words of your Holy Book have not changed over all these centuries. I do believe Islam is still about freedom and equality (as I believe all other religions are).
When you mention that group, and talk about american and Israelites..why do we have to mention their religion or nationality, Okile? A person is bad, or good, not because of his religion, race, nationailyt, etc, right? That is all I was saying. The war Grace is talking about has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the religion. It is only about the beliefs of those soldiers.
Okile, I respect Islam and the Book and the Prophets (’peace be unto them’ and their true followers). But it is an insult to the religion and the Prophets if Muslims continue to wage war this way. They are tainting the image of a the religion. Everyone reads about Muslims’ Jihads, nobody is going to pick up a book and read to see whether Islam is really these wars.
Peace!
As far as in know the world today is greately driven by interests.
I’m only glad to hear most of you saying this is not Islamic but works of a few people who might be hiding under the name of religion. But can anyone also explain to me why such groups are emerging world wide?
We saw the Taleban in Afaghanistan and they enjoyed the support of the USA that helped them flash out the Russians and when they turned and said..NO to the Americans, the USA termed them as Terrorists. If for instance the Taleban were babaric and they had the support of US at one time then the US is babaric too.
I mean really all these groups you see exist not because they are Muslim or Christian, it’s all about fighting for certain interests.
In Uganda, we have had the LORD’S RESISTANCE ARMY (LRA)which took to the bush and begun killing innocent peole in the name of GOD. They claim to fight to put in place the Biblical TEN COMMANDMENTS.
For over 20 years they have kiiled, maimed and displaced millions of people.
Their acts and aims cannot be justified by Biblical scriptures.
Hey grace, thanks for bringing into light what is happening out there. People can now stop relating Islam to the acts of such people.
Islam is a religion of peace. It’s purity and is derived from the orders of the loving and most compassionate Supreme diet- Allah (SW) May Allah protect Islam and rightly guide its followers.
Your words are so hurtful, Fariha, if they could kill your lengthy comments would earn you a burning palace in Hell. C’mon girl, do you really believe ’the sin’ of homosexuality is on the same level as killing someone? Isn’t taking a life the worst sin? Or is homo-love really the worst? I’m confused now; I wish you would help, since you say God has told you what is wrong and what is right. Unfortunately for me, I have asked Him many questions but He hasn’t replied yet. I suppose He is busy answering questions of people more deserving of His attention.
Someone spoke of ICD 10 and DSM IV, which you may find hard to understand. Perhaps if you looked around you, at nature, you would understand better. Many species of animals, created only by God, is blatantly bisexual. Want a list? Let’s see- giraffes, bisons, dolphins, seagulls, lions, lizards, flies, worms...I could go on and on! One type of apes (I forget the name) is completely bisexual. And mallards are known to have homo-necro-sex, too. And then there’s cross species sex (but let’s stick to homosexuality this time).
Definitely, there are many things in an individual’s environment that could turn him/her gay. But don’t forget that genetics play a huge role, too. People can be BORN gay (like the animals I listed), and since only God has a say in the sexual orientation of an unborn child, it’s the same as saying God created them gay. Now when God doesn’t mind someone being gay, why should you, or I?
And why must you leave Insta? We all want you to stay. I learn so much from this site. By the way, Fariha, have you heard of Freud? No, he’s not a gay icon. But something he says in this theory of his may lend you some insight on why you think gayism is unnatural, wrong, evil, etc. Just follow the link, and know thyself!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
I didnt say homo-business is an equal sin as Murder, did i? I just pointed out a few other things which are viewed as alright because we have found ICD 10 and DSM IV or watever abcd... may be God is unaware of science that why he condenmed homos. He must be an ignorant fellow in this case.
After a few years, we mite get to know that sleeping with ones parents or kids is also natural because we have discovered an XZY in sceince, right?
All i have been saying is that in simple terms that the world is full of evil, wrong, barbaric practices, madnes... and all we hear is abt Islam? U think its a pleasure to listen to that for any Muslim when Islam doesnt even tel so? I dont mind ending in hell if a few other realities are not acceptable to some.
And i mentioned earlier as well that i intedn to leave because i feel i am wasting my words here coz here ple hav their own defintion of humanity. Its human to kill your girls in the womb but its inhuman if some Muslism kills unduly. So i am not comfortale with double standards of the world around.
And Jaya, i am still here not because Allah or Islam need my justification but because i should say the truth which seems hateful to many. Thats why i will try n be less active here since u cant make the deaf hear or the blind see. U have given all stress to homo business and not the other number of things i listed; may be they are human enough again.
I am sorry if truth hurts u but i dont prescribe hell to even those to dont beleive in Allah, or are proud of being Athesits or kill Muslims in the name of war on terror coz Allah is the judge not me. I am nobody but He is.
No offences dear :)
Yet again, I never said homosexuality is akin to murder. And I certainly don’t believe gayness is a sin.
Forgive me if I have said I believe in rape, child killing, incest, etc. (I don’t remember doing so!) It seems no matter how many times and how many ways we try to tell you that we are talking to YOU and not God or a Muslim, you just don’t want to get that point. You are not a Muslim to me, you are a just a girl.
You don’t have to leave just because of a difference in opinion. Do you leave home when your parents or siblings don’t agree with you? And I would find it real damn hard to believe if you tell me you all always agree with each other..
You only noticed my stress on what you have said about homos, you don’t seem to have seen how much I stressed that this discussion is not about Islam. Rather, it is about those WHO DO NOT RESPECT THE BASIC TENETS OF THE RELIGION. (I wondered if writing in bold may help).
And God..when did I prescribe hell to you?
PS: I take it you have not followed the link I posted especially for you. No offences!
Our God should be science, not Allah. ***salutes***
You are right that ple view Islam as intolerence and all but i wonder why they are themselves converting to it? Islam is the fastest growing religion and here is a CNN news: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
ISLAM: FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON THE PLANET
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. This is not fiction but
reality. This is not Muslim bias but based on hard-core evidence. Check out
the amazing facts and figures and see for yourself why Islam is the fastest
growing faith on the planet:
World Almanac and Book of facts 1935 and Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook
1983.
”Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have
increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6
billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 percent and
Jews have decreased by 4%. In the West, Islam is the second largest
religious group in France, Great Britain and USA.”
The CIA World’s Facts Book
”The total number of Muslims in 1996 was 1.4 billion which was 26% of the
world population. According to UN statistics Islam’s annual growth in
1994-1995 was 6.40% compared to only 1.46% of Christianity. The total number
of Muslims in the world in 1998 was 1.6 billion (1, 678, 442,000).”
It surly is one great question of wonder of many including myself.
Thats all for today my dear :)
You just don’t get it, do you? I have not argued against the religion, only against YOUR comments. When you can talk so much about Islam, why don’t you huff and puff and try to defend your own uber-opinionated sapient comments?
I am not blind or deaf. I don’t have a reading disability, either. So the link you provide me with is unneeded. I have already heard of this. And since I have nothing against the religion it did not bother me. And since Islam is not about hatred, it did not surprise me, either.
Radical Islamists do not tolerate democracy. It is a complete shame that it takes a democracy to tolerate them””
poignanat observations!
but they are NOT muslims in true sense!
there is nothing like RADICAL MUSLIMS!
a select group steeped in orthodoxy and barabaric crudity are not the true representatives of Islam!
let them not beguile the general perception of people of Islam!
Islam is a scientific religion, encompassing all!
more from religion it is a way of life.
what these people and some around the world are doing is UN-ISLAMIC!
ISLAM DOES NOT PROPAGATE VIOLENCE OR IN-JUSTICE OF ANY SORT!
people who are commiting heinous crimes and happen to be muslims is a great misfortune upon our faith!
THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS,
THEY ARE TERRORISTS
TERRORISTS HAVE NO RELIGION
GODSE KILLED GANDHIJI-
HE WAS A TERRORIST
BUT
ALL HINDUS ARE NOT!
SOME CHRISTIANS PERSECUTED JEWS
BUT
ALL CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
TERRORISM- ISM-> SYSTEM
SOMEONE WHO MAKES A SYSTEM OUT OF TERROR!
TERRORISTS HAVE NO RELIGION!
NO RELIGION PREACHES VIOLENCE!
BUT IT IS THE MAN’S INHERENCE BARBARICY WHICH COMPELLS HIM!
”Islam certainly propagates ”hatred” and ”killing”. I have no issues with muslims or with anyone who embraces any religion. But as a peaceful citizen of India, I am scared as the arms of terror are growing stronger and stronger in India making our lives extremely unsafe.
World over, Islam is viewed with horror and disbelief. Muslims who are like you and others who I come across on day-to-day life in India are extremely good and well mannered by virtue of their personal decency, education and esteem.
But Muslim fundamentalists and terror groups are taking advantage of the tolerance, freedom and secularism of free societies to kill innocent people.
But Koran is very hateful against non-believers. I say this based on my little readings about Koran that is being exposed in several sites and in forum discussions like this. Islam consistently propagates ”shahid” (sacrificing life for the sake of allah) which is the root cause of the increasing number of suicide bombers among islamic youth. See you tube video titled ”Islam religion of hate”
One survey done among muslim youth in Palestian indicates, When asked about ”what is their ambition”?, more than 70% of youth (aged between 15 - 20) replied that they want to become suicide bombers and sacrifice their lives for the sake of allah. This is very painful. Suicide bombers are worshipped as martyrs and this triggers others to commit that stupid act in other parts of the world. It is painful that none of the educated or rationale muslim comes forward to condemn this. ”
The government of the Republic of the Philippines has just declared an ALL OUT WAR against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
Civil war in the Philippines may just about be starting right now.
I am in Iligan City where thousands of refugees have fled (across sea) from tbeir coastal villages that were raided, ambushed, and pillaged by the radical Islamists in the name of Allah.
But this is what is happening in the world today also!
Things are snatched from under our eyes while we just exhort ourselves on blaming the culprit!
but no one really cares to improve situations!
even i am not helping...
I KNOW!
Please, send batches of educated muslims to educate all those who are ’slaughtering’ your religion by their violent acts in the name of Jihad and Allah.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’Islam’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I have no authority or means to send anyone there to educate them or i wud for sure. I am an ordinary citizen here. Your defintiion of huamanism is identical to Islam which is PEACE and TOLERENCE, but unfortunately, some Muslims are not true ones just as some humanists are not.
Sikhism went one step ahead than islam and surnamed all male as ”Singh” and all female as ”Kaur”. It could not make them a classless society. Muslim Shaikhs consider themselves superior than others. hinduism believes that casteless society can not be created and classless society can not sustain. men are different, they have different intellect and skills. new castes will keep on cropping up depending upon their profession. Hidu law givers gave 4 broad categoris. over a period of time, untouchability cropped in. Hindu society has the elasticity to reform itself.
Women in Islam are for pleasure. Taslima Nasreen, the Bangladeshi writer writes that they are treated as ”maal” meaning goods, a purchasable commodity which can be sold, purchased and enslaved. Hinduism elevates a female to the level of Goddess and worships them as Shakti (Power).
Hinduism does not have the concept of slavery.
667 Muslims convert to Christianity every hour. The news report is available on You Tube.
This is a joke and nothing else. There is no back up of this propagandist and anti-Islamic rumor. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world that has recently overtaken Roman Catholicism. Where is the link to the so called YouTube video?
Title: RADICAL ISLAMISM: ISLAM GONE BAD
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo
If one characterises the differences between religions as a competition - it is already a farce. Something is good or bad by it’s own merit - not in comparison with something else and the comparisons we see are generally slanderous and false...
Statistics can be used to justify anything but do not necessarily prove anything.
Where did you find this graph from? The world is in no dearth of stupidity.
Well, I am in agreement with most of what you said, but the last line was problematic. This is the actual verse that you said teaches reconciliation.
004.128
YUSUFALI: If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband’s part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men’s souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
The chapter 4 is in fact on Women. Nowhere does it teach any reconciliation or a thing like that. Please stop quoting out of context things. Muslims are born like other humans, but as I said their ideology makes them problematic. Reading the comment of a person above from Pakistan, one can clearly see that some people come with a decent face for a discussion and start abusing others passively. Not their fault, it is ideology.
I can’t get why worshiping animals and humans, or making statues and idols problematic, or calling Jesus as son of God out of respect problematic? And funny it is that these same guys find it no problem accepting an alleged messenger of God who was a narcissist, a pedophile, a lecher, a torturer, a mass murderer, an assassin, a terrorist, and a looter
The notion of ”Allah told us” has so blindly entered some people who follow blindly that they will even believe the earth is flat like a bed and the sun sets in murky waters.
These are some verses for you along with the actual Arabic word from Quran.
Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains
Madda
Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out
Madadnaha
Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you
Mahdan`
Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof
Firasha
Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out
Mahdan`
Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth — We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind
Madadnaha
Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out!
Farashnaha
Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet
Bisata
Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs
Mihada
Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth - after that He spread it out...
Dahaha
Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out?
Sutehat
Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it!
Tahaha
Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:
Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.
Enough is enough. Stop this insanity and start criticism rather than keeping mouth shut.
I wrote everything that I feel should be written about radical Islamism in the Philippine experience. These articles of mine are nearly a year old on IB. Seeing that the debate has not ceased on this site makes me conclude that the issue is far from being even close to some semblance of resolution.
I have long left this debate.
My stance has not changed, though. I have no bone of contention on Islam or Muslims. I’ve always stated that Muslims and Christians co-exist peacefully in the Philippines. We have no problems with our Muslim brothers. I have many Muslim friends and colleagues. I have worked in Muslim communities.
What I totally abhor is RADICAL ISLAMISM. As the title of this article plainly states, radical Islamism is Islam’s ruin from within, it’s rotten internal portion.
Most importantly, I’ve also always believed and stated that radical Islamism is NOT Islam. Rather, it is a political group’s political agenda using religion as tool.
Thanks for unearthing this article and leaving a comment. Mabuhay!
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Thanks for dropping by!
What is particularly annoying and terrifying with radical Islamism is its political ambition that can also be fanatical.
And what’s more, radical Islamists think, in their minds and heart of hearts, that by pursuing a political agenda, they are simply being obedient Muslims.
The interpretations of religious dogma can be appalling and scary!
But the scary thing is: they do not even think that what they’ve done is wrong. The fanatical mind is mad!
Radical Islamists think that by doing what they do, they are actually being true to their Muslim religion!
And it’s equally maddening to see Muslim findamentalists/radical Islamists shout ”Allahu Akbar!” before and after a kill. It’s so eerie, surreal, and disturbingly barbaric.
Religion puts most people in some sort of drunken stupor.
The government of the Republic of the Philippines has just declared an ALL OUT WAR against the Moro Islamic Liberation Front.
Civil war in the Philippines may just about be starting right now.
I am in Iligan City where thousands of refugees have fled (across sea) from tbeir coastal villages that were raided, ambushed, and pillaged by the radical Islamists in the name of Allah.
Title: RADICAL ISLAMISM: ISLAM GONE BAD
I wrote everything that I feel should be written about radical Islamism in the Philippine experience. These articles of mine are nearly a year old on IB. Seeing that the debate has not ceased on this site makes me conclude that the issue is far from being even close to some semblance of resolution.
I have long left this debate.
My stance has not changed, though. I have no bone of contention on Islam or Muslims. I’ve always stated that Muslims and Christians co-exist peacefully in the Philippines. We have no problems with our Muslim brothers. I have many Muslim friends and colleagues. I have worked in Muslim communities.
What I totally abhor is RADICAL ISLAMISM. As the title of this article plainly states, radical Islamism is Islam’s ruin from within, it’s rotten internal portion.
Most importantly, I’ve also always believed and stated that radical Islamism is NOT Islam. Rather, it is a political group’s political agenda using religion as tool.
Thanks for unearthing this article and leaving a comment. Mabuhay!
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Excellent post, Grace.
And in most cases in the modern society, Islamic fundamentalists have continue to force liberal and moderate Muslims to join their crusade, which really is unfortunate.
I think now all religious leaders and followers should take responsibility for all the violence that occurs in the name of religion. Instead of distancing themselves from the issues saying that extremists are misinterpreting word of God, they must step in to influence extremists and fanatics to give up this slaughter.
This is indeed sad. I wish Muslims wud read and know the ’Message’ and not jump into things propagated by some Mullahs or ignorant ple.
Well, come to Allah hu Akbar now. It means ”God is the greatest”, however the context they are using in aint appropriate. Secondly, u said they dont even know what they are doing is wrong and believe to be rightoeus, dearie, this is true to everybody, not to Muslims alone. There are ple who are proud to be Atheists whereas they dont even know they are wrong, there are ple who give status of God to animals or humans, they dont even know they are wrong and they beleive to be true lovers of God. There are those who indulge in homosexulaity and justify it, they dont know they are wrong, there are those who sleep with 100 diffreent partners, they dont know they are wrong... i dont mean to sugest that these acts of Muslims are correct, they are not but its not Muslims monopoly; everyone does wat he or she thinks is right. Hindus used to make the widows burn alive if their husband would die, ( i dont if they still do), they didnt know that is wrong.
So we all have our own definitions of rights and wrongs. According to Allah, the worst sin is to associate any partner with Him, but so many ple do so in the name of God; they dont know they are wrong. Looking at nude pics or talking abt sex as if fun with strangers is wrong but ple do it and they say its a joke and we are doing so for fun, they dont knwo they are wrong.
Then, as far as barabaric practices go, i think there are more non-Muslims involved in them than Muslims.Islam is in no way barbaric, some Muslims sure would be. All we know are these few Muslims fighters being barbaric, whereas there are barbaric faiths who worhip objects and animals and humans and justify it. There are barbaric practices in churches by nuns and priest themselves... I think i dont need to mention wat these are. So barbarianism aint Muslims monopoly. They are killing some humans which is surely wrong and cant be justified but we dont like to admit that there are those who kill ’humanism’ itself which is worse. We kill humanism wen we deny God, wen u associate parners with HIm, when kill in His name, wen we have sex hiding in churches, wen we kill female chidlren in the wombs of their mother (in this case, sadly India is one of the toppers.) wen we say animals are gods, wen u say sun is God, wen u say ple are untouchable...
So lets see barbarianism and madness in totality, not the madness of Muslims alone which is nowadays a very spicy subject for all.
Lastly, i pray and hope that some real leanred ple come in front and educate these Muslims who have been mislead. We need more ple like Dr. Zakri, Yousaf Estes, Ahmed Deedat and Harun Yahya instead of traditional Mullahs with half knowledge and lack of wisdom... its them i think who misguide the young in the name of Allah and jihad.
Allah Knows the best.
Females of Rajputana prefered to die by burning themselves en-masse than go to the harem of Muslim invaders on the defeat of the their kingdom’s army in battle to keep their honour intact. That act was called Johar. It is not practised now.
Hindu believes that God is present in all living beings be it plants, animals, human beings, etc. It also feels the presence of the Lord in all non living things. Its a belief of faith. It may be wrong for you. But then, it is your opinion.
It surely is everyone’s choice wat appeals to them and wat they wud like to adhere. But you see, i feel there is an ultimate truth, THE TRUTH, which is with God alone and we ple will only get to know it on Doomsday. Thats why i always say let Him judge.
Howver, we are digressing from the subject and that might annoy Grace ...LOL... coming bak to the sibject, killing any innocent person watver faith he has in WRONG if he does not kill or harm u in anyway. But you see its not the Muslims alone who are killing ple. Killing your daughter in the womb is a more heinous a crime but when we have to point out madness and barbarianism, we have Islam as our target.
I sincerely pray that we all come out of this barbarianism be it in the form of killing ple, of females children, or changing sex, homosexuality, free sex, faith or whereever it exists.
I feel we should all pray to God to show us wat actual evil, barbarianism and madness is and then may He help us to follow it too. Ameen
Regards,
Now coming to a person sleeping with 100 people. I’m sure It would be difficult to find 100 sexual partners at once or even in a person’s whole life time. If he/she did find so many, that only shows the person is attractive or worth dating. Sleeping with many people isn’t the problem, but staying loyal is. A person who cheats his/her partner and ends up having sex with 2 people is worse than a person who sleeps with random people but is not committed to anyone. So, polygamy and androgamy is sicker, I must say.
I don’t profess a religion but if I were forced to, Sun is a good choice, for it is because of Sun that we all exist. So, I guess I would offer my respects to him, the Sun. I refuse to talk about ANY RELIGION. I’m not against what you believe or your religion, but certain things which you have stated here.
Looking at pornography may seem wrong to you, but it has been used in sexual therapy by sexologists for childless couple. And it seems to have worked.
Maybe one should just live as human beings and let others stay human too. I remember as a kid, my friends would say ’Live and Let Live’. though it is naive and simple and has none of the great theological and philosophical clutters, it conveys the most important duty of us as human beings.
So Live and Let Live. Let us revert back to humanity before it is too late.
Peace and happiness.
Homosexuality may not be bad or wrong for some, sleeping around may not be bad for some... i just stated if you had read being unbiased that ’to some’ these things are wrong.
Its your choice to worship the sun or watever as it gives u light... its a matter of wat apeals to ones mind that a fire of ball can be God if light and heat comes from it, its your choice and everybody’s... i have no problems with that but to some it is wrong... so can we cant make everyone beleive what we do? The better option is to respect all, thats wat i do. And all i said is that right and wrong varies from person to person. And if you have read clearly, i have already condenmed killing of anyone in the name of religion.
I pointed out some other facts which kill humanism like killing your daughters in the womb, buring the widow with the husband, nuns and preists having sex, worshiping animals etc. to tell that barbarianism aint the monopoly of any faith or a particular ple.
But can u tell me, wats the benchmark of right or wrong? Some dont mind sleeping with their daughter, so they are free and we should let them live, right? What u and i dont have a problem with aint necaasaryily has to be the truth for all. We need to cling to those human values which have exisited forver and abhore those which have been detested forever.
I hav obsrved some ple dont like their religions and dont like to stick to them... may b because they dont underrstand it, may b because they find fault with it.. or watever i dunno... Can u tell me wat is the benchmark for right and wrong for us? For us all? To me it is those values which Islam had given me because i dont find a single fault with Islam, whereas i kwno many Christains and Hindus who dont agree with their own books or find fault with certain concepts. But i ask u a simple question, do we have any benchmark for the entire mankind as to wat is right and wat is wrong?
If we do, its easy to judge and if dont then we all can have our own definitions and declare others acts as barbaric as we have our own defintiions of right and wrong.
I take all the criticism against Islam which is infact the fault of some folowers and not the faith itself dear but i have found that others get on fire if the wrong within their own societies or faiths is mentioned. They should also have the heart to hear the truth on their side, just as we Muslims hear the truth abt ourslevs and admit that some Mulsims are doing wrong. But just as Grace mentioned that Muslims who kill dont even know they are wrong, similarly, may b u think certain things are not an issue but wat if they are? HAs God come down to u and me to tell wat he aproves and wat he does not? NO. But i have my book which has clearly stated the evil and goodness and everything which humanity needs in the form of guidence. Its your choice to have any faith or worship watever, but i stick to wat makes sense to my mind and my book tells me wat is right and wat is not and it makes sense to me. May b i am stupid coz i am not as liberal or an Athesist like some ple here. To them its ”kool” not to have a God or listen to Him, but to me its a shame coz wat my Lord has taught me i am fully satisfied with it as its perfect and flawless. So let God be the judge between us all...
I will never stop u from living my friend, in fact, i am leaving this forum coz i dont belong here. A dove stays with doves, cats with cats, loins with loins... So worry not :) I am gone ... almost...LOL
The concept of God has been varying ever since. As you said, you find presence of Him in everything, we also beleive that these are all His creation and His signs and we respect all. But the problem from the time to Adam to Prophet (PBUH) was that ple sanctified certain creations so much that they started to worship them... like some wroship natural obejcts or humans or animals. Allah told us that worship not the sun or the moon or the things that benefit u, infact, worship the one who created them. Sensible or not? Makes sense to me atleast.
The Christains loved and made chrsit so sacred that they made him His son. So Allah told us in the Quran that He doesnt have sons or daughters or partners in His lordship becuase these are human atributes, He is beyound all such things.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) warned Muslims that we must no give him a status like the christains gave the chirst. So human is the best form of His creation even then we dont worhip a human for that matter. We beleive Prophet (PBUH) is most elevated in all humans yet we do not worship him. This is basically the concept of Oneness of God in Islam. He is One and nothing can dipict him. SAy we say children are Bhagwan ka roop, yet can we say a child is God? No . Why? Coz he may be as pure as God but he is not as mighty as Him. So God has numerous attributes. Yes they remind us of Him, His beauty, His power, His purity, yet He is too great to be contained in them. Thanks for listening; jsut sharing information :)
I forgot to mention that it is Allah who has told me that homosexulaity aint good and sleeping with even one person (if you cant find 100 ;)) is wrong if it is out of marraige. Thats is the differnce between humans and animals; aint abt being attractive or ugly ... LOL
Allah has said to us that if u find someone attractive, pls mary him, hav sex and live... wat do u say ;)....?
oh i am sorry. Ok this time i am surly not returning at insta. as I dont wanna scare none. Take care. Allah Hafiz and Byez :)
I am sorry if anything i said hurt your sentiments :)
Apologize for wat yar? I said i hav no problem with u or anyone man. Just that i feel telling wat i have inside of me here wont really matter as our frequencies are not the same, our thoughts are not the same and i dont like war-like envirnment where i have to justify Allah or Islam and ple mock at it etc.
Everyone feels happy with the ones of their own like i think. And my inspirations are Prophet (PBUH), Rumi, Nizamuddin Awliya, Khawaja Moin ud din Chisti and others... this forum probably aint the rigt place for these guys. But i am not leaving completely, i will reappear wen i feel there is need to intrude...LOL... I wonder where Grace is wen we hav created such an emotinal episode here LOL :)))
Only You
Only you
I choose among the entire world.
Is it fair of you
letting me be unhappy?
My heart is a pen in your hand.
It is all up to you
to write me happy or sad.
I see only what you reveal
and live as you say.
All my feelings have the color
you desire to paint.
From the beginning to the end,
no one but you.
Please make my future
better than the past.
When you hide I change
to a Godless person,
and when you appear,
I find my faith.
Don’t expect to find
any more in me
than what you give.
Don’t search for
hidden pockets because
I’ve shown you that
all I have is all you gave.
RUMI
(WHIRL WHIRL... HU HU HU)
Islamist seperatists are fighting in Grace’s country for a right to be free to practice their belief and faith as they want in their own area.Same as Muslim’s in Kashmir;or Iraq or Afghanistan...what do you have against them if they are willing to die for for their right to a descent existance?Remember even in your history INA were heroes.What about Tamils they are doing the same in Sri Lanke ...and some other Christan’s the same in Indonesia ;Is Christianity a terrorist religion then?
I am amazed, but why do have to take such a offensively defensive stand? Nobody is blaming you or your religion.
We all trying to find a way out, when separatists are slaughtering people in the name of religion. I guess all religious people and humanists agree that killing of innocent men, women and children is a wrong means to get to any end.
I too was wondering about last two bold lines. You think a solution can’t be found within democracy? Is tolerance a major drawback of democracy?
:)
I am amazed, but why do have to take such a offensively defensive stand? Nobody is blaming you or your religion.
We all trying to find a way out, when separatists are slaughtering people in the name of religion. I guess all religious people and humanists agree that killing of innocent men, women and children is a wrong means to get to any end.
The problem is not people dying in the name of religion, problem is the killing and slaughtering of innocent people in the name of religion...
Why don’t they choose to fast until death? It’ll be more effective...
If only they lived the main values of Islam they’d realise that their actions are in essence Un-Islamic. No doubt Islam allows people to get involved politically, but to go as far as killing people and kidnapping people to make a point is ridiculous.
Let’s call it what it is, it’s not Islam, it’s terrorism.
I dunno why u find my opinion defensive; i have already condenmed killing ple unduly in the name of Allah or jihad. My point is only as i mentioned that we should see the whole picture not parts and then blame whoever or find a solution. Barbarianism and madness is all around us... we should find a solution for all the issues. Killing any innocent ple in the name of religion or war on terror or baby girls in the wombs as an act of terror. I am against all such killings watever faith or watever region they fall under.
Its strange Jai that u like Rumi and Hafiz and their poetry, but u cant appreciate their Beloved (Allah) and His teachings... tsk tsk tsk
Madhuri’s first comment quoting you says it all. Islam is no longer what the religion originally began as. It began in the name of freedom, in the name of equality- now it is akin to torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’. It is sad that people fight in the name of religion, when they’re really fighting for their own selfish desires. Humans seem to believe the best way to justify their actions is to drag religion (unwilling) into it- even as they do everything that goes against their religion.
Funny, how some people can think of religion and quote words of people long dead, when they forget that we are first born as humans -not belonging to any religion- and are unable to treat other humans with respect and, if not love, then at least with tolerance.
Hey Grace, be safe, ’Godspeed’!
I agree with you - religion and religious sentiments are becoming greater than humanity...
:)LOL
As far as in know the world today is greately driven by interests.
I’m only glad to hear most of you saying this is not Islamic but works of a few people who might be hiding under the name of religion. But can anyone also explain to me why such groups are emerging world wide?
We saw the Taleban in Afaghanistan and they enjoyed the support of the USA that helped them flash out the Russians and when they turned and said..NO to the Americans, the USA termed them as Terrorists. If for instance the Taleban were babaric and they had the support of US at one time then the US is babaric too.
I mean really all these groups you see exist not because they are Muslim or Christian, it’s all about fighting for certain interests.
In Uganda, we have had the LORD’S RESISTANCE ARMY (LRA)which took to the bush and begun killing innocent peole in the name of GOD. They claim to fight to put in place the Biblical TEN COMMANDMENTS.
For over 20 years they have kiiled, maimed and displaced millions of people.
Their acts and aims cannot be justified by Biblical scriptures.
Hey grace, thanks for bringing into light what is happening out there. People can now stop relating Islam to the acts of such people.
Islam is a religion of peace. It’s purity and is derived from the orders of the loving and most compassionate Supreme diet- Allah (SW) May Allah protect Islam and rightly guide its followers.
Helo dearie. Its me the sinner of humanity and the one who ’enstrangled’ Jia because he had no answer to my some questions except for a kool ’Duh’. People who are are not in favor of any religion and want to put fingers in their ears when they hear of it, have their own definitions of humanism or humanity. Just like to some homo-buisness is not an insult to humanity, sleeping around is ok business, worshiping animals and killing baby girls in the womb is not a big issue and the only issue of concern in today’s world are the few Muslims who are killing around. They are wrong all agree and all sane Muslims are against it themselves. BUt i ask u just as i asked someone here, how many Muslims torture u in India? HOw many of them kill the hindus becasue they are kafir? How come India has more than 80% Hindus when they were ruled by Muslims for more than a 1000 years? So Islam is hatred or bloodshed as u stated is bogus.
My dear, Islam is as pure as it was always and we still have equality in our persaonl and social lives. We treat no one as untouchable and pray and eat together on the same table. There are some bad sheep and everyone condenms them. So why are u sad? I just enriched the subject by adding a few more barbaric and inhuman practices going on in the world. Why is it so hard for ple to digest if it is associated to their societies or faiths? See, we Msulims still have a bigger heart coz we take crticism positively and even agree where we are wrong.
Then, again, why are u guys so negative towards religions? All religions profess goodness and humanity, but wat makes u so uncomfortable with them that u need to invent another faith that is, humanism or humanity? I mean aint your religion human enough to be your identity? Islam is perfect for that matter and we are more than happy to be Muslims coz it has taught us humanism and humanity in practical terms.
Lastly, no Muslim hates any non- Muslim. I personally have seen more Hindi movies than the Islamic books that i have read. So dont be insecure and biased towards us, we have no problems from u or your faith except that you should have an open and a fair approach towards all evils not the bad actions of Muslims alone. Take care.
Your words are so hurtful, Fariha, if they could kill your lengthy comments would earn you a burning palace in Hell. C’mon girl, do you really believe ’the sin’ of homosexuality is on the same level as killing someone? Isn’t taking a life the worst sin? Or is homo-love really the worst? I’m confused now; I wish you would help, since you say God has told you what is wrong and what is right. Unfortunately for me, I have asked Him many questions but He hasn’t replied yet. I suppose He is busy answering questions of people more deserving of His attention.
Someone spoke of ICD 10 and DSM IV, which you may find hard to understand. Perhaps if you looked around you, at nature, you would understand better. Many species of animals, created only by God, is blatantly bisexual. Want a list? Let’s see- giraffes, bisons, dolphins, seagulls, lions, lizards, flies, worms...I could go on and on! One type of apes (I forget the name) is completely bisexual. And mallards are known to have homo-necro-sex, too. And then there’s cross species sex (but let’s stick to homosexuality this time).
Definitely, there are many things in an individual’s environment that could turn him/her gay. But don’t forget that genetics play a huge role, too. People can be BORN gay (like the animals I listed), and since only God has a say in the sexual orientation of an unborn child, it’s the same as saying God created them gay. Now when God doesn’t mind someone being gay, why should you, or I?
And why must you leave Insta? We all want you to stay. I learn so much from this site. By the way, Fariha, have you heard of Freud? No, he’s not a gay icon. But something he says in this theory of his may lend you some insight on why you think gayism is unnatural, wrong, evil, etc. Just follow the link, and know thyself!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
Helo Madhuri, yar can u define wat humanism or humanity is ? If religion is not wat tells us right and wrong good and bad, humanism or humanity, then pls tell me your openminded philosophy of humanity so that i may evaluate if its better than my faith and cling to it. Pls tell me how u define humanity?
If humanism is to let all live, Islam already has told us that. Islam has already told that there is no compulsion in faith and we should all let them live their way. But is humanism abt letting everyone do watever they feel like? In this case, we cant condenm the rapists, the robbers, the murderers.... why cant we let them live? They are alss humans arent they?
Islam condenms evil and not humans. But if your humanisn says that even evil should have the right to live then i have no answer to that.
Pls do share wat humanism to u mean. I am waiting :)
If you must know we Muslims know that every child is born Muslim.
This means that when children are born, they are as pure, innocent and have not ability to sin. This is the way in which ALLAH (SW)has created manking and they way he wants us to be.
He wants us to be as loyal and those children who are unable to hurt even a simple fly.
That’s whay he bestowed upon us Islam as a mercy for us to follow and millions of Muslim practice it as it is—- i mean originally.
However, when we grow up and become adults, people take different ways of life and believes.
But Islam remains pure and original and shall always be.
It’s anatural system that can out live you yet you can’t outlive it.
Islam never changes even if people try to interpret it in different ways.
Just to prove to you, the Quranic verses, unlike the bible have remained intact and cannot be changed or altered by any one. If one tried to do so, it would clearly come out. Infact such attemptys to alter the Quran have been made but have always failed because the Quran has been preserved through the generations not just by paper but by the power of human memory.
And, Islam remains a religion of freedom and equality.
It’s the only religion with the ability to bring together human race in one single incident - Harj.
It’s also the only religion where can kings mix or eat with street beggers. Amazing isn’t it?
Yes those who misterprete it are a few that’s why you see rebellious groups that torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’. But is not only the rebellious Muslims who do this.
to.Americans and Israelis have had their share of such things.
I didnt say homo-business is an equal sin as Murder, did i? I just pointed out a few other things which are viewed as alright because we have found ICD 10 and DSM IV or watever abcd... may be God is unaware of science that why he condenmed homos. He must be an ignorant fellow in this case.
After a few years, we mite get to know that sleeping with ones parents or kids is also natural because we have discovered an XZY in sceince, right?
All i have been saying is that in simple terms that the world is full of evil, wrong, barbaric practices, madnes... and all we hear is abt Islam? U think its a pleasure to listen to that for any Muslim when Islam doesnt even tel so? I dont mind ending in hell if a few other realities are not acceptable to some.
And i mentioned earlier as well that i intedn to leave because i feel i am wasting my words here coz here ple hav their own defintion of humanity. Its human to kill your girls in the womb but its inhuman if some Muslism kills unduly. So i am not comfortale with double standards of the world around.
And Jaya, i am still here not because Allah or Islam need my justification but because i should say the truth which seems hateful to many. Thats why i will try n be less active here since u cant make the deaf hear or the blind see. U have given all stress to homo business and not the other number of things i listed; may be they are human enough again.
I am sorry if truth hurts u but i dont prescribe hell to even those to dont beleive in Allah, or are proud of being Athesits or kill Muslims in the name of war on terror coz Allah is the judge not me. I am nobody but He is.
No offences dear :)
When did I ever say I’m non-religious? I cannot believe I could be replying to your comment without having read it first, so I assure you, I don’t stuff my ears with fingers or anything else when I hear the world religion.
And you aren’t taking criticism lightly. NONE of us, starting with the post, have insulted Islam, or believe the religion to be impure or Muslims to be killers. You are missing the whole point of the article and the discussion here. It is only about the wrongdoings IN THE NAME of religion. Whether done by a Muslim, Hindu, Satanist, Atheist- a sin is a sin and the religion they follow need not be dragged into it. And don’t say Muslims have been created with ’a bigger heart’. Aren’t we all born equally big-hearted?
And if you are going to talk about openness and fairness, then open your eyes wide and read the comments that YOU have written here. It does not sound fair to me.
PS: Cross my heart and hope to die, if I have ever insulted Islam or any other religion.
hhahhaa... jaya pls dont die plsssss. I wrote from my very first comment that these Muslims are doing wrong if they kill innocent ple in the name of Allah or jihad. Didnt i? U said nobody is saying Islam is bad and u just wrote this : ”Islam is no longer what the religion originally began as. It began in the name of freedom, in the name of equality- now it is akin to torture, bloodshed and plain hatred of all ’kaafirs’” .... u wrote this and now u say that nobody says anything bad abt Islam? wel wel wel...
I hav myself condenmed this stupidity of these ple and along with that i simply pointed out that the world i ful of such madness regardless of faith or region. Is that wrong? And i didnt mean that YOU dont like religion, u here meant ple generally dont like talking abt religion, thats all. So dont misunderstand.
I know the aim of this article is positive and i have only added to let ple know that how crazy our world is, not just Muslims. Is that wrong? And Okile has added some very significant points in his comments.
So from my end, take a chill pill ;)))
Yet again, I never said homosexuality is akin to murder. And I certainly don’t believe gayness is a sin.
Forgive me if I have said I believe in rape, child killing, incest, etc. (I don’t remember doing so!) It seems no matter how many times and how many ways we try to tell you that we are talking to YOU and not God or a Muslim, you just don’t want to get that point. You are not a Muslim to me, you are a just a girl.
You don’t have to leave just because of a difference in opinion. Do you leave home when your parents or siblings don’t agree with you? And I would find it real damn hard to believe if you tell me you all always agree with each other..
You only noticed my stress on what you have said about homos, you don’t seem to have seen how much I stressed that this discussion is not about Islam. Rather, it is about those WHO DO NOT RESPECT THE BASIC TENETS OF THE RELIGION. (I wondered if writing in bold may help).
And God..when did I prescribe hell to you?
PS: I take it you have not followed the link I posted especially for you. No offences!
When I said Islam is ’akin’ to torture (blah blah..), I was saying that is how people SEE Islam today (only Muslims are at fault for that). Muslims fight in the name of religion, when they need not. I was not saying that Islam IS hatred, rather that it is PERCEIVED as hatred.
Yes, you did say they were wrong in what they did. Then you went on to condemn things like atheism and homosexuality (that need not be condemned), saying ’ppl don’t know they are wrong’. Those words are what started the furor here, they were most judgemental, and I thought you left all judgements to God.
I commented here, becasue I don’t believe in faith-bashing. If it is Islamophobia today, it may be Hindu-ophobia tomorrow. For our acts, let us denouce the people, and not the religion.
And don’t worry, Fariha, I’m not dying yet. Perhaps, God hasn’t given up on me yet, huh?
Hey, it seems you also misunderstood what I was saying. I never realised it could be seen that way. I’ve already told Fariha what my words meant, let me tell you again in case you’ve missed the comment -> ”When I said Islam is ’akin’ to torture (blah blah..), I was saying that is how people SEE Islam today (only Muslims are at fault for that). Muslims fight in the name of religion, when they need not. I was not saying that Islam IS hatred, rather that it is PERCEIVED as hatred.”
I know Muslims believe children are born with a pure mind and as Muslims (that is why they don’t have a ritual like ’baptism’, right?) And I know the words of your Holy Book have not changed over all these centuries. I do believe Islam is still about freedom and equality (as I believe all other religions are).
When you mention that group, and talk about american and Israelites..why do we have to mention their religion or nationality, Okile? A person is bad, or good, not because of his religion, race, nationailyt, etc, right? That is all I was saying. The war Grace is talking about has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the religion. It is only about the beliefs of those soldiers.
Okile, I respect Islam and the Book and the Prophets (’peace be unto them’ and their true followers). But it is an insult to the religion and the Prophets if Muslims continue to wage war this way. They are tainting the image of a the religion. Everyone reads about Muslims’ Jihads, nobody is going to pick up a book and read to see whether Islam is really these wars.
Peace!
Our God should be science, not Allah. ***salutes***
You are right that ple view Islam as intolerence and all but i wonder why they are themselves converting to it? Islam is the fastest growing religion and here is a CNN news: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
ISLAM: FASTEST GROWING RELIGION ON THE PLANET
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. This is not fiction but
reality. This is not Muslim bias but based on hard-core evidence. Check out
the amazing facts and figures and see for yourself why Islam is the fastest
growing faith on the planet:
World Almanac and Book of facts 1935 and Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook
1983.
”Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have
increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6
billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 percent and
Jews have decreased by 4%. In the West, Islam is the second largest
religious group in France, Great Britain and USA.”
The CIA World’s Facts Book
”The total number of Muslims in 1996 was 1.4 billion which was 26% of the
world population. According to UN statistics Islam’s annual growth in
1994-1995 was 6.40% compared to only 1.46% of Christianity. The total number
of Muslims in the world in 1998 was 1.6 billion (1, 678, 442,000).”
It surly is one great question of wonder of many including myself.
Thats all for today my dear :)
You just don’t get it, do you? I have not argued against the religion, only against YOUR comments. When you can talk so much about Islam, why don’t you huff and puff and try to defend your own uber-opinionated sapient comments?
I am not blind or deaf. I don’t have a reading disability, either. So the link you provide me with is unneeded. I have already heard of this. And since I have nothing against the religion it did not bother me. And since Islam is not about hatred, it did not surprise me, either.
Radical Islamists do not tolerate democracy. It is a complete shame that it takes a democracy to tolerate them””
poignanat observations!
but they are NOT muslims in true sense!
there is nothing like RADICAL MUSLIMS!
a select group steeped in orthodoxy and barabaric crudity are not the true representatives of Islam!
let them not beguile the general perception of people of Islam!
Islam is a scientific religion, encompassing all!
more from religion it is a way of life.
what these people and some around the world are doing is UN-ISLAMIC!
ISLAM DOES NOT PROPAGATE VIOLENCE OR IN-JUSTICE OF ANY SORT!
people who are commiting heinous crimes and happen to be muslims is a great misfortune upon our faith!
THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS,
THEY ARE TERRORISTS
TERRORISTS HAVE NO RELIGION
GODSE KILLED GANDHIJI-
HE WAS A TERRORIST
BUT
ALL HINDUS ARE NOT!
SOME CHRISTIANS PERSECUTED JEWS
BUT
ALL CHRISTIANS ARE NOT TERRORISTS!
TERRORISM- ISM-> SYSTEM
SOMEONE WHO MAKES A SYSTEM OUT OF TERROR!
TERRORISTS HAVE NO RELIGION!
NO RELIGION PREACHES VIOLENCE!
BUT IT IS THE MAN’S INHERENCE BARBARICY WHICH COMPELLS HIM!
”Islam certainly propagates ”hatred” and ”killing”. I have no issues with muslims or with anyone who embraces any religion. But as a peaceful citizen of India, I am scared as the arms of terror are growing stronger and stronger in India making our lives extremely unsafe.
World over, Islam is viewed with horror and disbelief. Muslims who are like you and others who I come across on day-to-day life in India are extremely good and well mannered by virtue of their personal decency, education and esteem.
But Muslim fundamentalists and terror groups are taking advantage of the tolerance, freedom and secularism of free societies to kill innocent people.
But Koran is very hateful against non-believers. I say this based on my little readings about Koran that is being exposed in several sites and in forum discussions like this. Islam consistently propagates ”shahid” (sacrificing life for the sake of allah) which is the root cause of the increasing number of suicide bombers among islamic youth. See you tube video titled ”Islam religion of hate”
One survey done among muslim youth in Palestian indicates, When asked about ”what is their ambition”?, more than 70% of youth (aged between 15 - 20) replied that they want to become suicide bombers and sacrifice their lives for the sake of allah. This is very painful. Suicide bombers are worshipped as martyrs and this triggers others to commit that stupid act in other parts of the world. It is painful that none of the educated or rationale muslim comes forward to condemn this. ”
Sikhism went one step ahead than islam and surnamed all male as ”Singh” and all female as ”Kaur”. It could not make them a classless society. Muslim Shaikhs consider themselves superior than others. hinduism believes that casteless society can not be created and classless society can not sustain. men are different, they have different intellect and skills. new castes will keep on cropping up depending upon their profession. Hidu law givers gave 4 broad categoris. over a period of time, untouchability cropped in. Hindu society has the elasticity to reform itself.
Women in Islam are for pleasure. Taslima Nasreen, the Bangladeshi writer writes that they are treated as ”maal” meaning goods, a purchasable commodity which can be sold, purchased and enslaved. Hinduism elevates a female to the level of Goddess and worships them as Shakti (Power).
Hinduism does not have the concept of slavery.
But this is what is happening in the world today also!
Things are snatched from under our eyes while we just exhort ourselves on blaming the culprit!
but no one really cares to improve situations!
even i am not helping...
I KNOW!
Please, send batches of educated muslims to educate all those who are ’slaughtering’ your religion by their violent acts in the name of Jihad and Allah.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’Islam’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I have no authority or means to send anyone there to educate them or i wud for sure. I am an ordinary citizen here. Your defintiion of huamanism is identical to Islam which is PEACE and TOLERENCE, but unfortunately, some Muslims are not true ones just as some humanists are not.
667 Muslims convert to Christianity every hour. The news report is available on You Tube.
This is a joke and nothing else. There is no back up of this propagandist and anti-Islamic rumor. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world that has recently overtaken Roman Catholicism. Where is the link to the so called YouTube video?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=xdVnILalpeo
If one characterises the differences between religions as a competition - it is already a farce. Something is good or bad by it’s own merit - not in comparison with something else and the comparisons we see are generally slanderous and false...
Statistics can be used to justify anything but do not necessarily prove anything.
Where did you find this graph from? The world is in no dearth of stupidity.
Well, I am in agreement with most of what you said, but the last line was problematic. This is the actual verse that you said teaches reconciliation.
004.128
YUSUFALI: If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband’s part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men’s souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
The chapter 4 is in fact on Women. Nowhere does it teach any reconciliation or a thing like that. Please stop quoting out of context things. Muslims are born like other humans, but as I said their ideology makes them problematic. Reading the comment of a person above from Pakistan, one can clearly see that some people come with a decent face for a discussion and start abusing others passively. Not their fault, it is ideology.
I can’t get why worshiping animals and humans, or making statues and idols problematic, or calling Jesus as son of God out of respect problematic? And funny it is that these same guys find it no problem accepting an alleged messenger of God who was a narcissist, a pedophile, a lecher, a torturer, a mass murderer, an assassin, a terrorist, and a looter
The notion of ”Allah told us” has so blindly entered some people who follow blindly that they will even believe the earth is flat like a bed and the sun sets in murky waters.
These are some verses for you along with the actual Arabic word from Quran.
Q. 13:3 And He it is who hath outstretched the earth, and placed on it the firm mountains
Madda
Q. 15:19 And the earth have WE spread out
Madadnaha
Q. 20:53 [since he is the One] Who has laid out the earth as a carpet for you
Mahdan`
Q. 2:22 Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof
Firasha
Q. 43:10 (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out
Mahdan`
Q. 50:6-7 What, have they not beheld heaven above them, how we have built it, and decked it out fair, and it has no cracks? And the earth — We stretched it forth, and cast on it firm mountains, and we caused to grow therein of every joyous kind
Madadnaha
Q. 51:48 And the earth we have spread out, and how excellently do we spread it out!
Farashnaha
Q. 71:19 And God has laid the earth for you as a carpet
Bisata
Q. 78:6 Have WE not made the earth as a bed, And the mountains as pegs
Mihada
Q. 79:27-30 What, are you stronger in constitution or the heaven He built? He lifted up its vault, and levelled it, and darkened its night, and brought forth its forenoon; and the earth - after that He spread it out...
Dahaha
Q. 88:20 Nor even how the earth has been flattened out?
Sutehat
Q. 91:5-6 By the heaven and that which built it and by the earth and That which extended it!
Tahaha
Quran described the shape of earth using the following Arabic words:
Madda, Madadnaha, Firasha, Mahdan, Farashnaha, Bisata, Mihada, Dahaha, Tahaha and Sutehat.
Enough is enough. Stop this insanity and start criticism rather than keeping mouth shut.
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Excellent post, Grace.