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Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad
Grace Calderon , Quezon City: Aug 21 2008
Made Popular Aug 21 2008

Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad

This was a quote from former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir. Today, it applies not just to Israel and the Arabs, but to the world and the Radical Islamists as a whole.

I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.

Radical Islamism is the twisted bastard son of Islam.

First things first. There is a difference, even, between Muslim fundamentalism and radical Islamism.

Muslim fundamentalists believe that sacred scripture is considered the authentic and authoritative word of their religion’s god and no person has the right to change it or disagree with it. They restrict themselves to literal interpretations of their sacred texts, the Qur’an (central religious text of Islam) and Hadith (oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad). All Muslims (Sunni or Shia) use the same Qur’an.

For the Muslim fundamentalists, the problems of the world stem from secular influences. A Muslim fundamentalist can issue a fatwah such as “every Muslim who pleads for the suspension of the sharia is an apostate and can be killed.”

The killing of those apostates cannot be prosecuted under Islamic law just because this killing is “justified.” The command to slay is an invention of Islamic fundamentalists.

There’s only one thing Muslim fundamentalists hate more than infidels: traitors to the cause.

Muslim fundamentalism comes in conflict with some provisions of the internationally supported Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Among these are: freedom from religious police, the equality between men and women, and the separation of religion and state. As to freedom of religion, Muslim fundamentalists believe that Muslims who leave Islam or criticize itshould be executed,” while the right of non-Muslims to convert to Islam should be celebrated.

Radical Islamism may be an entirely different banana.

A Muslim Fundamentalist is “a political individual” in search of a “more original Islam,” while the Islamist is pursuing a political agenda. Radical Islamism is Islam + Political Agenda.

Radical Islamism is a totalitarian movement that wants to establish a worldwide radical Islamist state. This envisioned state will support religious wars against non-Islamist Muslims and non-Muslim infidels worldwide. Jihad, or Holy War, is a religiously sanctioned call for individual and collective violence made by radical Islamists against “infidels” worldwide. Fatah, or military conquest, is the employment of Jihad for imperial expansion and colonization of non-Islamic lands. Radical Islamists believe that fatah is as legitimate today as when the concept gave rise to a series of invasions of countries outside Islam’s original birthplace in the Arabian Peninsula.

Radical Islamists want to establish the supremacy of their version of Islam over all other Faiths. This is what they call the “Global Jihad” (waged by Islamic radicals against the Western world). They believe that they will rule the world because of their conviction in the superiority of their religion.

The political ideology of Islamism calls for the replacement of state secular laws with Islamic Law. Islamists believe that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system. Others define it as “an Islamic militant, anti-democratic movement, bearing a holistic vision of Islam whose final aim is the restoration of the caliphate.”

Radical Islamists would like to impose Sharia law with a central government to rule the world. That’s their definition of survival of the Qur’an and of their group. On the other hand, the Western civilizations’ definition of survival of their group is democracy and general separation of church and state.

Here lies the difference in the survival moral of what should be the surviving moral.

The message of the Qur’an and the Hadith are clear. They are the text and oral tradition of the origins of the thought. They mean well as far as intentions go. They are the ideal. However, they are, too, subject to misinterpretation by those who practice them.

The misinterpretation of Islam is not done by the non-Muslim world. Twisting the religion is committed by Muslims themselves.

Radical Islamism is the bad egg in the egg basket. And we all know what bad eggs can do.

To say that radical Islamists are stubborn and arrogant is an understatement. They are murderers and looters, killers and common thieves. They are one religion’s bad reputation.

It is true that barbarism exists somewhere else. It is true that death in the hand of a common street mugger gone jittery is no less forgivable than the killing of a life in a womb. What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.

The phrase ‘Allahu Akbar’ is the opening declaration of every Islamic prayer. It is a slogan prescribed by the Prophet Muhamad to the mujahids of Islam. ‘Allahu Akbar’ is recited on many occasions such as in the beginning of prayer of Hazrat Bibi Fatimah, by the mujahids of Islam, and when animals are slaughtered.

What is more sickening than for killers of men to shout “God is the greatest!” before and after they kill?

I wonder how Allah would want to deal with his despicable creatures.

Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad

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Holy Quran teaches intolerance. Islam is a religion which spreads hatred towards non beleivers. A few examples from Holy Quran is reproduced here :-

Surah 3.
28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

152. Allah did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,-until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you but He forgave you: For Allah is full of grace to those who believe.

Surah 8.
12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ”I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.

65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Surah 9.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believer.

23. O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

Surah 25
52. Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).

Surah 29
49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

Surah 32
22. And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns away therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) Retribution.

Surah 47
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

Surah 48.
20. Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall acquire, and He has given you these beforehand; and He has restrained the hands of men from you; that it may be a Sign for the Believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path;

28. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.

Surah 49
15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.

Surah 61
4. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.

Surah 66
9. O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).

Surah 90
19. But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand.

20. On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I know what you mean, Ramesh. I interviewed some Muslims and they, too, quoted to me some passages from the Qur’an that justify violence, revenge, jihad, etc.

I’m starting to think that Muslims who see through their scriptures may just be the hope for a much-needed change in these violent times.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Ramesh,

Good luck with your anti-Islam campaign.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Fight is allowed in self defence and in that case its not terrorism. May b Ramesh can tolerate being a great man when a thief or an enemy attacks him; such people are truly great who can offer their guest rooms to the one who comes to kill them.
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800 Muslim soldiers entered undivided Hindu India by defeating Bappa Rawal (on whose name Rawalpindi was named). They terrorised the country, killed Hindus, raped their women, destroyed their temples, burnt libraries, looted the booty, ruled the countrhy for 1000 years through fear of sword and multiplied like pigs resulting in muslim dominated Pakistan, Bangladesh which was divided on religious grounds.

Your logic is twisted because you are looking with blinkered and jaundiced eyes of Islam.

Your forefathers must have been Hindus. Ask your elders how they embraced Islam? By beating or by getting convinced that Islam is the only religion for salvation. Your city is not La-whore. It is the city named on Princle Lav, the son of King Ram of Ayodhya.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Ramesh, i have no answer for your indecent comments and expression. Pls read your comments again and analyze wat fanaticism means :)
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
I wish we see a world where everyone stays peacefully without arguing, without hurting anyone. I hope men, women and children stay safe and let others stay safe. I hope the refugees in Mindanao see a shelter. I hope the Philippine government is able to bring law and order to the troubled region. I hope the Israelis and Palestinians live side by side in a friendly manner. I hope the US stays within it’s territories. I also hope we find a solution to hunger, poverty, crime, terrorism, fundamentalism and hatred. I hope peace loving Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Non-Religious people all live and let others live.

If it is too much to ask, Oliver Twist once asked, can I have some more please? Today I ask, Can we all have some peace, please?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hope is the cruelest word, Jaiyant. It’s what keeps people hanging on interminably - sometimes, awaiting nothing.

Hope is the most oppressive situation.

But hope is the only thing we have! We cling on to hope for hope.

Thank you for hoping that the Philippines and the rest of the troubled world will survive darkness.

If people stay within their chosen religions, then maybe we can have hope. Hope is killed when man starts to have an ulterior motive that is most likely fashioned out of a political mold.
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Jayashree
bangalore, India
NOPE is at you, Jaiyant.

I meant to say that we can’t have peace. You are asking for way too much.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Hope is cruel and so is the world. I refuse to be a part of the cruelty and stay aloof. Which seems like a good thing to do, after reading all the arguments. Grace, cavemen were happier than we are today. Do we need another war in Philippines, like other wars elsewhere weren’t enough? (Throws up his hands in the air)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I have seen the nightmare of hope. It makes people want to wake up in the morning, wanting that all evil and sadness vanish.

But that’s all they have, for the longest time.

I think hope has nothing to do with objective reality.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
There is not much we can do to bring peace, yeah? Could anything be more disappointing? To know that you can only watch while everyone kills each other.

I NEED PEACE AND SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD.
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Jayashree
bangalore, India
Jaiyant, can you feel the love in here?

I feel sick
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
I’m choking with all the love in this world
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Yes Grace i wonder how Allah would deal with all those who kill innocent people in the name of jihad or war on terror; they are infact killing whole of mankind, not a single or few persons.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I am not enlightened on something. Is there a system of punishment under the Sharia Law that, at least, addresses the abuses of Muslims?

If there is such a thing as ’crimes against humanity,’ is there an equivalent to this in Islam?
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Asmita
Shimla, India
Hey Fariha I really appreciate the efforts you have been making to help everyone understand the delicate yet confused relationship that both our countries share.

I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.

Its a shame that even in the new millennium we still have people who are more content on raking up age old issues just to prove their own superiority over others.

I believe that in the modern world, terrorism has very little to do with religion itself and more to do with the fact that people still aren’t being given equal opportunities.

The London-based terrorists or the Al-Quaida or even the Indian Mujahideen who claim to be blowing up citizens because their people were wronged sometime in the past really need to own up to the fact that they haven’t done any service to their people by their acts.

Osama blew up WTC and in return thousands of innocent muslims got massacred in Afghanistan and millions more face discrimination around the world because of that one day.

There are bombs going up every day in Iraq and Pakistan and even Kashmir thanks to the millions of dollar that these outfits receive in funds. I just want to know why cant these funds be used to provide better education, medical care and safe food and clean drinking water to the poorer sects??

Hindu agitators massacred innocent Muslims in Gujarat riots and vice versa. The leaders of the riots never got hurt, the ordinary people did which only goes on to show that terrorism never really proves anything or does anything for the common man!!!
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Hey Guys,

I am leaving FINALLY coz i feel its no good how much we talk on this.... we may write pages or books but ple, things, hatred, evil wont change. A comment somewhere up here just proved it. So i feel we should concentrate on our own beings and purify our inner souls (BTW thats called jihad -e- akbar, the greatest form of jihad). That inner transformation may help this outer world become a better place... our words are useless. At least i will try to become a better person by strifing within myself and killing the evils within myself Inshallah.

May Allah protect, guide, forgive and show the right path to us all. Ameen

Allah Hafiz and Take care.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Fariha, this is merely threshing out an issue that’s affecting a lot of people. I’m not attacking Islam. I have a lot of Muslim friends.

But, hey, if you give me a SCUD missile right now, I’ll blow up those radical Islamists without batting an eyelash! Hehe...

Don’t feel bad, girl. Don’t carry the Islam world on your shoulders. Hehe...
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,
You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’.I will be posting an article about Phillipines in a day or two-be sure to read and comment on it;I will appreciate beeing corrected if I am wrong.As for Ramesh he obviously keeps permanent copies of pre-typed comments ,which he copy pastes all over with slight ammendments.Here is a reply I gave somewhere else to his exact same comment above on quotes from the Holy Quran:

Ramesh Balam’
Read what you have quoted yourself ,again and again if need be.Then relate them to the fact that all verses about fighting the pagans and unbelievers in The Holy Book are about fighting those who:
1.Harassed and tortured the Muslims when they were helpless few in Mecca.
2.Forced them to migrate to Medina.
3.Even there they did not leave the Muslims in peace and attacked them with a large army,and continued conspiring with some Jews to completely wipe them out-till they were defeated by The Muslims when they conquered Mecca.On this occassion the Holy prophet following the above quoted advise not only defeated teh Qureish of Mecca; but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.

Perhaps if you have an open mind you will find each advise is not only perfectly correct for the situation in which the Muslims found themselves ,but also most humane and correct for any age in which the Muslims face a similar condition.
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Rama
Copenhagen, Denmark
@ hassan;
... but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.

his "tormentors"? this is rubbish. muhammad was a political and military leader. this is propaganda. and then who is muhammad to "forgive" some one for following a different faith?
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Allah knew that Holy Quran is everlasting. Allah did not qualify His statements with a time limit or geographical limit or for a particular war. The Quranic exhortions are timeless, for all the times to come; So says the terrorist. If you do not agree, tell them.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Grace,

Yes Grace, Islam very much addresses wat and how to punish ple and particularly Muslims if they are wrong. Allah does not give Muslims any favor for being Muslims, He is just and all are His ple. Muslims can be favourites ’if’ they folow the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who is ”mercy for all the worlds”. The punishment for killing any person unduly is nothing less than death. Anyone who kills any person unduly should be punished to death. So they too deserve the same if they are killing innocent ple.

Here is my last post at insta. http://fariha.instablogs.com/entry/a-message-for-the-muslims-and-non-muslims/

This message must reach to all Muslims in particular and to all mankind in gerneral. Grace, may be you should get it printed and distribute it to Muslims or something like that which would practically help the situation. Dont worry abt me, Islam aint a burden for me, but i feel our talking here can do no practical good in this situation. So why waste words... TC
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
HASSAN RIZVI:

If you cannot substantiate what you mean by: ”Grace, You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’,” then I will simply think that you were not thinking when you wrote this comment.

Didn’t you see the post up there? Did you even read it? Or did you just blabber a knee-jerk reaction? I suggest you read the post. You might learn a thing or two about radical Islamism from it.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Grace
I wrote exactly what I meant.You know neither your own history,nor yet anything about Islamic values.You are what 500 years of Spanish and American terrorism has turned you into ...devoted catholics most of whom are now come adrift from even this false hope their priests gave them.

As for the comment ”If you cannot substantiate what you mean”.I was wanting to sincerly avoid my having to educate you about your history,and was hoping you would be wise enough to just take the hint and research yourself.But since you insist I will post my first article today ... and one every two days thereafter.A total of three in all.After all I cannot hope to distill a thosand years of history into anything less.Please do read ...and offer your comments.

May God keep you pure and good...and grant you peace and contentenment..and the grace to remain composed..and the ability to recognise the truth when you see it.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
@ Fariha

You said:

”Fight is allowed in self defence and in that case its not terrorism.”

I will keep within my territory, though I can give other examples outside of my country.

Radical Islamists attacked Mindanao towns killing civilians, torching property, looting stores (even children’s piggy banks), hostaging civilians, sending many innocent people fleeing as refugees, etc etc.

These incidents (particularly on August 18, 2008), were ON THE OFFENSIVE. Radical Islamists were not defending themselves here.

These were purely terroristic attacks as claimed even by the commander that the attacks were meant to ”send a clear signal to the Philippine government and Filipinos.” Any which way you look at this, this is NOT IN DEFENSE, and were definitely ACTS OF TERRORISM.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace, you are getting pretty emotional here now. I wrote that in reply to Ramesh’s out of context verses that he mentioned up there. I said it is allowed to fight in self defence but i didnt write that these specific ple are doing so. I have already mentioned that they should be punished to death if they kill innocent ple but you are doing exactly the same what ple all over the world do.. being baised and blind towards other Muslims no matter how positive or peace loving or just they are, only becuase a few are doing wrong, u evaluate all in the same way. That is sick.
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PLEASE, Fariha,
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace’
They were defending their right to live as they wish in their own land.They are defending their right to their own values and beliefs -something they have been fighting the Spainards and Americans for too since last 500 years .

And as for the small incidents you mention- even if they kill a 1000 times as much they will not exceed the certainly over 200,000 native Filiponos at minimum (some say over 500,000) BUTCHED IN PHILIPINES BY THE AMERICANS IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS LATE AS 1898-1902.

It is so very hypocritical when you paint your butchers as the paragon of virtue,and the victims as the terrorists.
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Grace,
You have made your point very clear in this post and the previous post. Its unfortunate that all arguments against Radical Islamism or discussion about misinterpretation of Islam are being seen as ’Islamophobia’. ’Islamophobia’ is the new defense line for some people.
@Fariha, Hassan
The point remains, the discussion here is violence and crimes against humanity in the name of religion. We are not giving terrorism a colour of religion, the rebel groups carrying out slaughter in the name of ’ALLAH’ are giving claiming it loudly enough to be fight in the name of religion.
These terrorists are creating a ground for Islamophobia by all this slaughter and violent means to ’send’ their message accross.
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@Fariha,
Unfortunately you use a derogatory tone when you comment about all those who criticize role of religion. We don’t wear our religion and beliefs on our collars and use it as shield of protection and quote scriptures.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’ISLAM’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I am against use of any religion or any other excuse as a tool of spreading hatred and intolerance. Please read: http://madkat70.instablogs.com/entry/will-hatred-be-modern-world-s-wmd/
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Madhuri

What i dont understand is that why do u gyus feel that you are the only ones who condenm terrorism? Do u find me or other eductaed and sane Muslims supporting killing? I dont think so. But you seem to ignore all my comments where i have stated that IT IS WRONG. Your commnets sugest that its probably only Grace and you who love mankind and the rest pf the world, especially all the MUSLIMS are tyrants, whereas those who are invloved in these activities and hold such thoughts are but few. Every Muslim belives in PEACE and TOLERANCE and pls dont give under tones that all of them are killing in the name of religion.
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PLEASE, Fariha,
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Yes Madhuri, These radicals have so thoroughly gained attention that the voice of the liberal Muslim will go unheard. That voice will be unheard because statistics speak of something else. Radicalism must be eliminated but that won’t happen easily. The essence of these posts have been twisted by people.. The essence of course is the capability of normal human beings to unite under an ideology and inflict terror on those who don’t share these ideologies. In this case it so happened that these people were Muslims. But the articles in themselves aren’t against any religion. When people take the simple truth and twist it all around, and then make it seem horrendous, all hell breaks lose.
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G emeraldsandash.blogs..
Canberra, Australia
Islam comes from ”salaam”. Peace. I don’t think anyone will ever be able to explain to me why it is used to attempt to justify political violence in the ways it is.

The same criticism stands for any and all religions guilty of such violence, Christianity is not exempt. I have even seen examples of Buddhist intolerance and violence (!!!).

I think that an article is yet to be written on the ways in which people inversely define themselves reflexively through their static texts in a search for personal continuity and psychological security in a world which offers them none...
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
Moderate religion, I sincerely hold, is a myth. As soon as political propaganda comes into picture and is intertwined with religion (any for that matter) then the peaceful verses are thrown out of the window by default. And essentially the differences between fundamentalism and radical Islamism remain of degree and not of kind.

Practiced on a mass scale, fundamentalism is but a step behind radicalism. And both spring from whatever we like to put as the moderate versions of religion. I said it elsewhere before and I say it again if one’s purpose is peaceful, one would as easily find teachings that further the same, else the verses calling for being interpreted for evil purposes are aplenty.

Is this the fault of the interpreter or of the scriptures? I believe it is the latter. You may decide on your own.
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Rahul
Kathmandu, Nepal
Asmita,
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.

Who has given you the right to speak for others? Don't try to be an ambassador for people who don't agree with you. Just mind your own business and voice your own thoughts. Don't be oversmart.
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Some has apologised on my behalf. I have not authorised any one to do so.

I have quoted from Holy Quran. It has not been denied. Every one is trying to explain the context in which it was said. My point is simply this; the terrorist who are caught in my country quote the same verses to justify their actions. It simply means that they have not understood the true essence of Islam. It is upon the Muslim community, intellectuals and devotees like Fariha and opinion makers like Hassan to clear their misinformation.

I have quoted history as was taught to us. With more knowledge available, some one will re-write or revise it.

Some one feels I am out for Islam bashing. I strongly deny it. The allegation is motivated. I use my right of reply. The opinion expressed is purely mine to generate a debate. If some one feels that I am trying to spread hatred between communities, I may say that the person is mistaken.
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Andhra Pradesh government has taken leave of Spreme court of India to reserve seats for students in educational institutes belonging to the backward Muslims. Since Allah and Holy Quran does not differentiate between muslim brethren and Muslims are supposed to be a classless society; the acceptance of the same by Muslim community as a whole raises the bigger question whether whatever is projected about equality between the kings and the commoner in the name of religion is correct or not?
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In India there are two famous schools one each at Bareilly and the other at Deoband which teach Islam and produces Maulvi. In local language the followers are called Barelvi or Deobandi.

In Certain Masjids belonging to Barelvi school of thought, notices were publicly issued barring the entry of Deobandi and Muslims other than Barelvi for prayers. The matter was widely reported in local as well as national newspapers.

It raises a deeper question about the faith. Are all Muslims really equals? If so, why do they bar entry of each other in their houses of prayer?
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Prasad
Howrah, India
Balam, you are right that in certain mosques belonging to Barelvi school of thought public notices were issued barring the entry of Deobandis that is known to breed extremists. This happened in Gujarat I guess. Or was it in Rajasthan?
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Glenn
Ottawa, Canada
@ Ramesh Balam:

It shows that sections within Muslim faith have rejected the radical version of Islam as anti Islamic. Radical Islam is Satan's own religion that is giving Allah's Islam (preached through his prophet) a tough time.
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Johan
Madrid, Spain
Muslim intellectuals and scholars from across the world had been able to show the non-Muslim world the virtues of the Koran. However they have failed miserably to convince anyone that Islam is indeed a religion of peace and tolerance. If at all Muslims have shown anything, they have shown to be violent and intolerant.
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Chris
Perth, Australia
Muslims show no respect for democracy and gender equality. Then why should the democratic and liberal world should see them in good light? Muslims are so rabid about holding on to the print of their book, that is now completely meaningless piece of literature in today's context, that they have blinded themselves with their faith fearing they might see light accidentally. There are more radical extremist Muslims today than they were ever before.
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Rohit
Kathmandu, Nepal
Islam is a barbaric faith of illiterates who can read and write but only just. Now birthday parties have suddenly become anti-Islam. But parties with naked mujra dances in full view of the family is not anti-Islam. I couldn't find the link of another naked mujra in a wedding party in Pakistan where children were also watching with adults. Muslims must not be taken seriously whenever they say anything but to blow themselves up in a public place.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Rohit,

Who would believe liars like you.Any one can see this is a clip of a whore house with a madam,her dancing girl -and customers,and not a family.

Your credibality as a sensible reporter is impaired.so please desist from making such flawed posts.
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
2 sides of the same coin! Fundamentalism and radicalism cannot be differentiated from one another..when Muslims say ’to ’protect’ our lands’ it should be remembered that ’their’ land encompasses the entire globe as the book inherently criminalizes all non-muslims as ’diverted’ muslims....so this way or that they are going to claim every inch of the planet! Question is, whatever religion says, why shud followers be fanatic of their religion to such extent? Why fanaticism is at centerstage of Muslims’ lives & not other religions? Rationally, Islam hasn’t ’solved’ any problem of Muslim societies themselves either...then why they practice and preach religion 24×7? Perhaps reason for that is humans have natural tendency to adhere to WRONG things; same logic applies with Islamic fanaticism...EVIL philosophically gets DIVINE nod then why won’t that society be fanatic? If religion could allow me or my clan fetch land, women and wealth of others for a Divine cause certainly even I would have been fanatic with my faith!
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Asmita,

Dear u dont have to apologize on anyone’s behalf. Those who are brimming with hatred have every excuse for it. We are all responsible for our own deeds. I am happy there are still some people who got to understand wat my intention here so far has been but they are very few and i think my articles have not done much good to bring understanding between ple. I think it was my folly to show light to those who are blind.

Thanks for your kindness Asmita; the world is still surviving as we have some good humans like u :)
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Siddhesh
Pune, India
I have said earlier u r a radical in disguise of a moderator else u wouldn’t have come up with RUBBISH like ’....only solution to mankind!’........mankind that already adheres to ur so called ’divine’ solution behaves like brain dead zombies and less human! Vividly reveal us your ’spiritual upliftment’ then make claims about sole Divinity!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hassan, bro! You cannot expect me to come into the defense of the Spaniards and Americans as the Spanish and American pasts of my country are something I’d like to vomit.

Where oh where did I say that I paint the butchers as paragons of virtue, huh??

I saw that you wrote an article about Philippine history that is tilted.

Find below after this my comment to what you wrote.

FYI, Hassan, if you hate America, so do I. So, we have nothing to argue there, bro! You cannot expect me to come into the defense of USA.

I have written many articles somewhere else against stupid Islamphobia.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Grace,
Over reacting already!Who asked you to defend Spanish and American actions in Philipines? You couldn’t do so even if you wanted to!

And I so understand your feelings when you say you want to puke over them.But to say you want to vomit isn’t enough-it is just semantics.Get a lesson from your countrymen and racial kin -though not the religious ones - The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.

The Holy Quran teaches the Muslims the meaning of Jehad,defining it very clearly.It is a fight against injustice or falsehood in what ever manner you can, it is thus always defensive in it’s basic concept-never offensive.Various forms are:
1.Physical War or Resistance.Waged with all means at one’s disposal to utterly destroy the fighting manpower of the oppressor;but maximum protection to his old people,incapicated,women and children.
2.If you cannot do that then adopt written or verbal opposition in all it’s forms.
3.If you cannot even do that then remain silent but always remain
mentally opposed to the injustice thus keeping the issue alive.A day may come when you will be able to triumph.

Can you see the beauty of the teaching.There is so concept of vomiting here;no despair;no hopelessness
ever - only a strategy for the champions of justice to eventually triump.No hypocrate and oppressor no matter how powerful could ever adopt successfully or even hope to counter such a perception.

That is why the poor ill equipped Moros have been able to wage their war for 500 years and survive with their belief and culture intact -while even powers like the Spanish and Americans have left

Oh yes,we have every thing to argue about!Why do you hate the Americans?I don’t.There are millions of Americans who now know and decry the injust actions of their government and church institutions even more forcefully then I do.Why should I hate them?

I only hate injustice and the governments and people of any race,color or religion who perpetuate it in any of it’s form anywhere -and that includes so called Muslims.But the Moros are not in any way one such people.

Finally if the article I wrote about Philipines is tilted,and you have read it.....I consider it so unethical of you to comment that it is tilted in this place where readers havn’t even read it;rather then joining the discussion at the proper forum where perhaps all who read my article could be alerted to the misinformation I am allegdely trying to feed them.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
No, Hassan, I don’t overreact. Not even to those who pretend to be in the know.

But, yes, I vomit.

The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years? Wow!

Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?

The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.

Do the Math.

Take a shower.

Look up PERSECUTION COMPLEX.

It’s your choice as to what to do first of these three.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
To HASSAN RIZVI:

My comment to your totally propagandized article entitled: ”Islamic Heritage of the Philippines”


If your intention is to imply that we Filipinos hate our Islamic heritage (your title is very correct, kudos!), then you are gravely mistaken. The Philippines is a melting pot of colonizing cultures, and we are proud of our Islamic, Hindu, and Chinese heritages. It’s our Spanish and American pasts that we want to vomit.

In your rush to post a pro-Muslim propaganda, you missed the salient points which prove the fact that we are proud of our Islamic heritage.

Where are the Codes? Where is our ancient form of writing? How did the word “barangay’ travel a long way so much so that we, today, use the word to mean official geographical community? Where is the story of the Datus that all Filipinos learn in school as early as first grade? Do you know that many of our streets, towns, etc are named after our Muslim forefathers?

I can go on and on and on to mention what you have failed to say as our Islamic heritage.

This is total tragedy. Even the Muslims of the Philippines will rebuke you for doing this disservice.

It is precisely materials such as this that reek of ignorance that create rifts, instead of bridging gaps.

This post does not help the peace process in the Philippines right now. We are a peaceful people that want to accommodate one another because we are ALL Filipinos, Muslims and Christians alike (plus all other religious persuasions) – at the end of the day.

For your information, Filipinos love one another (Muslims and Christians alike). The Philippines is known proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue. It’s RADICAL ISLAMISTS that we will not put up with (Muslims and Christians alike).

We don’t need people like you to further widen rifts. We are okay as we are. You have no right to imply that we do not love our Islamic heritage. You, a Muslim who is supposed to be an advocate of peace, are doing precisely the opposite.

You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.

PS

Your cut-and-paste production of various rip-offs over here could use various revisions and corrections. I will not do the work for you. Go back to the drawing board. You should have consulted materials from the Sultanate of Sulu Research Center with which, if you did, you would have spoken to me.
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A very balanced, passionate and patriotic flavoured reply. Congratulations.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Dear Grace,
You reply to my article at this place ,rather then at the proper place which is in the comments to the article itself indicates that you have lost your wits.Don’t you want to correct my alleged misinformations at the place where they occur so that anyone who reads them is at once alerted to my fraud...or would you rather let them stand unchallenged!!!

So I will not reply to this unashamedly false and evasively misleading comment here.It has no relationship to what I wrote as anyone who reads my article will be able to judge.However after two days when I post my next article on Philipines I will copy paste this reply of yours at it’s proper ploace along with my comments on what I think of it..

Over here I will only reply to one of your comments which is of a general nature,for it proves you obviously don’t practice what you preach:
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.

If you believed in that then you are neither a Muslim,nor a Hindu nor even a Pakistani or an Indian..... so why then do you write so many such articles.Shouldn’t you confine yourself to just Philipine issues.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Are you a RADICAL ISLAMIST, Hassan?

Why are you defending the terrorists and justifying what they do?

PS

If you read my articles, they were related to the Philippines. They are confined to the Philippine setting, and are related to the resurgence of radical Islamist violence in southern Philippines over the past week.

PPS

I already told you earlier. If you cannot substantiate what you mean when you said I don’t even know the history of my country, then I cannot take you seriously.

So, my suggestion was for you to go back to the drawing board and reread whatever materials you ripped off for your write-up.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,
Instead of a straight forward reply to my queries you are again off with your strange twisted arguements and evasive and diversionarty tactics.These can’t get you off the hook madam!

Now you think accusing me of being an ISLAMIC RADICAL will scare me.Well I am not the innocent ,simple and pure hearted Fariha whom double tongued people like you have almost driven off this blog.If standing up for justice means ISLAMIC RADICALism then indeed I am one.

The Moros are not terrorists.They have been oppressed for over or almost 500 years (whats a few years in such a long war,they can continue for another 500 years if need be)They have a right to defend their lands,their culture,their beliefs and values....no amount of your lies can change that.I stand for justice everywhere...
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Dude, Hassan, are you sure you are trying to present facts and not trying to get emotional and sentimental about your personal opinions? Who is trying to scare you? In fact people would be scared of a fanatic and radical guy like you. you are misrepresenting and ruining the image of your people. Nobody is against Islam or Muslims, but terrorists and those who support terrorism are, Didn’t you just support terrorism? If you think you stand for justice, you wouldn’t support the killing, which you implicitly or explicitly do. I wonder, what justice that is, supporting the killing of human beings, men women and children. You are inciting people and causing more radicals to join terrorism.. Instead, try to balance your views and see the other side of the story.. By the way neither is Fariha so innocent nor is she leaving this blog.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
THAT is precisely what I mean, Hassan. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing! And most especially, when the little knowledge you gathered is something that you would WANT TO BELIEVE alone.

That is why I cannot take you seriously because ALREADY you are VERY BIASED with what you write. You read somewhere that Moros have been oppressed and killed for centuries, you make it as the ONLY FACT AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE.

So, I don’t know if you are making your own propaganda or believing the propaganda that you make.

The Philippines isn’t condoning or tolerating the injustices done to Moros by the Spaniards and the Americans. It’s all over our history books, for crying out loud!

And DO NOT EQUATE Moros with Radical Islamists. Oh man oh man, the Moros will hate you for that!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Jaiyant,

No I just opposed state terrorism.But you wouldn’t understand my reply as you havn’t researched the moro issue.You will havt to wait till I have compleated my third one.but the first one I have posted about Muslims and the Spanish gives just a very brief and concise historical background to the problem.

I suggest you read it,and offer your comments there if you truly want a constructive dialogue on the issue.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
I’m starting to suspect that Hasan is engaging in this war of (holy :P) wars to gain readership. Wonder why he’s asking one and all to read his article (when it is done BTW) and comment there.

@Hasan you need to chill. Like-minded people would soon start tracking you :P

You need no advertising on this forum. :P
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
I meant war of words :P

I’m so outta here :P
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace ’
This is precisely what you are over reacting about.The article only gives a cocise history of Philipines the Muslims and Spanish period and hilights certain facts.instead of dealing with those there ,you are already worried about what is to come next.

I shall certainly bring those issues up at the proper time in my third article.Let every one to get to know the basic issues first.NO?

As for the killing or depravation of Moro rights of Moros for centuries ,it has come up in these comments.I havn’t got to that stage in my articles yet.No? So am I right in assuming you deny such killing and deprivation of rights? If that be the case might it not be the civilised behaviour that you hold your opinion on this issue and I mine till we get to the article in which I discuss the current state of the problem?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
@ Fariha

I owe my Muslim brothers and sisters in the Philippines the duty to write about the atrocities of radical Islamists (who even Muslims themselves abhor).

You should have taken to heart the caveat that I wrote at the top of the article which goes:

”I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.”

I am disheartened that you are even one of those who equate Islam with radical Islamism. I was intending this caveat for non-Muslims, really.

My two posts wich you have singled out as an attack on Islam are really about radical Islamists.

Anyway, there are the readers who could judge the articles.

Fariha, this is a heartfelt message to you from a sister who found you here in Instablogs.

I am an adopted daughter of one of the Muslim Sultanates in Mindanao. I am not a criticizer of Islam. But I will not stop to tell the story of how radical Islamists have been oppressing their fellow Muslims in Mindanao. It’s my oppression, too!
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Hey Grace,

I have nothing against u wrting abt wat is happening there. May b we are misunderstanding each other. I was only condenming those who hit on Islam rather than terrorism itself in such like articles. I totally understand ur intention here girl and have no offences beleive me. I also know that all Muslims are not saints... the only point of my concern is that some ple just take liberty to write watever crap comes to their mind and vomit such articles with them, which change the entire course of the writing! I have not found your posts attacking Islam at all; i only elaborted them telling wat is hapening alaround us because those who are actually enemies of Islam and not Islamophibia find it a great platform to carry out their hateful activities.

So pls dont misunderstand me girl. I honestly dont beleive that u were hiting ’Islam’ in any way... in fact you have explained in a very logical way the true Islam and the spolied version. I am sorry if any of my comments gave u such like impression... but if u wud go through some comments on both the posts, u wud know why i said wat i did. Hope u will understand.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Sigh! I was worried for a while that you might think that I’m attacking Islam. Horrors! That’s something I won’t do!

But now I understand what you mean and I believe you.

It’s a process that we’re going through, girl. Don’t you see how we complement each other here? While you write about what Islam is about and should be, I write about enterprising people who twist the religion for their ulterior motives.

It’s my intention to show that it’s the misinterpretation of some Muslims that is bringing on the sad state. And I make sure that, with what I write, I make clear that it’s about people, not about Islam nor the Qur’an.

I really wanna separate radical Islamists from the Islam faith because as one of the comments had said: these are not Muslims.

But it will be a long and painful process for us. We have to have nerves of steel to accept comments that are painful.

Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed! Hehe...

I admire Hassan’s attempt. But if he is not factually faithful and will not present balanced views, his implications will only widen rifts - and that won’t help.

So, you listen to me now girlilash, okay! I DO NOT WANT YOU TO LEAVE INSTABLOGS because you are an aspect to balance views. Do you see what I mean?
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace, what Hassan has written cant b ignored at the same time. If these people are fighting with inocent ple, then its wrong. If these people are fighting with those who have wronged them then we can justify them. There is a slight between the two things and i always say that we shud only let God judge as we dont know the wats in the hearts of both the parties. Yes, if they are fighting for their right, they may do so but even in this case, Islam does not allow that any innocent person should be killed. If i kill u, u can kill me in return not any of my family members, get wat i mean?

And what history is and wat not, all i know is that everyone shud let the other live in peace. However,say if they are really oppressed, then u and i cant condenm them. But again, i cant judge, its God’s thing.

As far as leaving Insta is concerned, i wish i cud stay or may b i return after sometime, but at the moment i feel its a mess and it has rather become a batle field than opinion sharing. My focus of reformation is myself as i am more inclined to Sufi side of Islam... so i think jihad within myself is superior than jihad with the pen... at least for the moment. Take care :)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
The scary thing with what Hassan is attempting to do is creating a misleading implication that radical Islamists are JUSTIFIED in the killings they are doing now since and because Moros have been killed in the past. That’s unfounded revenge.

He also wants to send the message that Moros are in ”uprising” now to defend their faith and the right to practice the faith.

It might disappoint him to know that the Philippines is PAINFULLY a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. We welcome ALL FAITHS because we are a democracy. The Philippines is also a known staunch proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue.

The Muslims in the Philippines do not have a problem with exercising their faith. Ramadan is even proclaimed a national non-working holiday!

The ones that are having trouble are the radical Islamists because they have a political agenda. They want to politically rule and own a part of the Philippines.

The Philippine government has really been stupid all this time to deal with terrorists and was actually willing to give radical Islamists what they want. And this is because the Philippines is painfully a democracy that has to gve each and everyone due process and due rights.

But some Filipinos have come to counter the terrorists’ demands because these terrorists have shown that they cannot rule the Moro Land by way of firepower. That’ll be death and more oppression for the Filipino Muslims!

If you ask me, I cannot even comprehend why this country is actually negotiating with terrorists!
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace if u ask me, i am a simpleton and all i know is that all this stuff is so messed up that simple ple like u , Madhuri, Hassan or myself cannot even comprehend wat is actualay hapening and who is doing wat! I cant say that is exactly the case with the Muslims in your part of the world or whereever, but these things are usulay more political than religious! whenever we hav a blast in any Pakistani Mosque, ple go O its India behind it! When ever some blast occurs in India they say its Muslism behind it! And the truth is that no noraml citizens in both our countries in fact even in philipines wud have time to think abt such non sense coz we are already strugling to get to meet out two ends! These things are highly maddening as far as i know... some say these organizations are funded by Pakistan, some say india or Afghanistan gives them money, some say America suppports them n does it all itself... i mean what the hell!!! What is a common person suppose to beleive??? I like to stay out of this mad world for this very reason coz i dont even know wat is happening! the truth is too twisted for us to understand!!! So i really dunno how to put an end to tyranny and hatred which is infact the only REASON behind any such things... well again its too messed up... :-s

we can go mad but cant find a solution to this may be :-s
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I know how you feel, Fariha. This right now is just a microcosm of worldwide discussion on this. It’s been truly maddening.

In the Philippines, I think 65,000 families have been effected over the past week alone because of this dispute.

I believe in God and I’ve been praying a lot!
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hey Grace,
Your reply to Fariha proves what I have been saying all along and you denying. Oh Girl!!Are you jumpy and over reacting!!!...or is it an attempt at pre-emting the facts that you know will be revealed:”Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed!”” Hehe...

How do you know it will probably show Muslims in the Philipines have been oppressed?Hehe Indeed !!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hehe...I see that you’re still at it and posturing, Hassan. LOL

Rest and chill. Would you like a cup of coffee? Hey that isn’t sarcastic, huh. I really have some freshly made coffee and wish you were here so we can discuss our differences over cups of coffee, and then you’ll slowly realize that I’m not an enemy.

Done with the write-ups yet? Please give us links. I mean really that’ll save us time to recheck your facts and sources.

It’s really quite easy to link. This non-techie got the hang of it after a few tries.

Rest now, Hassan. Ok, I promise to give thoughtful comments. Does that make you feel better? I hope...

Nothing to be worried about.I’m tolerant and peaceful, hehe...

PEACE
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,

You need links to your own history!!Guess I was right about you being lost. Other wise by now i would have been told precisely where i was wrong in my research article.But as you said you prefer not to take my writing seriously.That’s one way of avoiding the issue.OK by me ,my next article will be day after tomorrow.

Thanks for the offer of coffee.Mentally I have already consumed,and enjoyed it.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Madhuri,

You are either naive and an idealist -or else a hypocrate.I hope it is the former.

This I say in reference to your comment:We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.

Nothing ,not even wars can to taken in isolation from their historical context.Who gave the Spainards ,the Americans and the Philipnos the right to kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims men,women and children (or Moros as they call them -derived from Moors) over the past 1000 years;and take their lands;try and impose their beliefs and laws on them?

And then to raise a hue and cry as they continue fighting agaist this injustice in what ever manner they can?

They are a brave people and not terrorists.Any one who can fight for their rights for such a long time deserve to be saluted and not bad mouthed.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hassan, widen your reading fare.

Did you encounter the term ”juramentado” in your research?

I will not deny that many Moros were killed in history, in the Philippines. I don’t commend the killings done by colonizing forces.

I hate mudslinging. It’s so petty and childish, but for the sake of balanced journalism, maybe you should also state how many people the Moros killed. For the sake of balanced reporting, you know.

And for that, you can start by explaining the ”juramentados.” This is a Spanish word that loosely translates to ”amok.”
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I may be naive or even a hypocrite for I know history has alot of hurt and blood on its pages but yet I hope Peace and Tolerance will prevail. We live in an unequal world. And it is constant struggle against oppression of various kinds for minority and weak. Yet I hope EVERYONE including developed nations will stop using hatred and violence to achieve any end in this world. Killing of innocent civilians is not acceptable to me.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Madhuri,

I agree with u girl. I may be mad as well but all i wish and pray is that we can find a solution to all this hatred. I feel it stems from within a person and then it gets out side and destroys the whole world. So purifying own owwn selves can probably self the world at large. I am sorry if any of my comments in the couple of posts hurt u in any way; some ple really drove me crazy... but that wasnt u. So no offenses :)))
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
No, Madhuri, you’re NOT being naive nor hypocrite. You’re being a true advocate of peace for wanting peace and tolerance to prevail.

Innocence doesn’t mean ignorance or naivete.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Madhuri and Grace,

Madhuri you are neither naive nor a hypocrate ...you are an optimist ..so bless you girl....and yet I must say ,never shirk from speaking against injustice anywhere by anyone.Should enough people be able to do so,this earth would become paradise itself.

And Grace thanks for telling me what ”juramentado” means.If what has been happening to the Moros for the past 500 years till to date had been happening to me and my family or lands i would be perfectly justified in running ’amok’!
The scary thing about Hassan is that he is raising a voice for justice.Why must you remain a devil’s advocate grace?
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Barbarism and murderous nature is something that is synonymous with Radical Islamists. If you look at the conflicts in the world, most are due to these radicals who incite western nations to wage war against them. Starting with Philippines, Moros may have been tortured by the colonists, but that is no reason to fight against the present government of independent Philippines. If they have to wage war, they must do so in the colonists area, which isn’t possible as it is already history now. If Muslims want a separate nation in every nation they live, it really isn’t technical;ly possible. There are muslims in France, UK etc and it wouldn’t be surprising if they demand a part of France, say Cote D’Azure or Wales in UK all for themselves. It just cannot happen. When Muslims in France aren’t yet demanding for a separate nation, why must they, in Philippines, in India, in Russia, in Thailand...!! It can’t happen. One must know that there are people who have different kinds of lifestyles and beliefs, and one can’t expect everyone to become what you are, and they won’t. Killing someone because one is not like you is the lowest that you can get.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Right, Jaiyant, radical Islamists have been pursuing a very ulteriorly motivated political agenda at the expense of their fellow Muslims.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Jaiyant,
”When Muslims in France aren’t yet demanding for a separate nation, why must they, in Philippines, in India, in Russia, in Thailand...!!”

Isn’t that a question you should ask of the people who are making these demands?
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
They seek independence from these countries because they are not developed countries and can’t satisfy the greedy radicals. Where as the western countries are rich enough and treat the radicals also with respect which they stop doing.
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My motherland was divided on religious grounds, whereas we were united for about 1000 years under Mughal Rule and then under British Rule. Mughals were good and true followers of Islam but they did not impose their faith on their subjects.

India’s population is 17% Muslims today. In my childhood the only riots I knew were amongst Shia - Sunni over Tazia procession. Terrorism was not associated with Muslims. Terrorist word was heard in India with the advent of naxal movement which was more due to failure of land reforms. The next terrorist activity was heard from Punjab and suddenly Sikhs were the terrorists. The problem was economical. A voice started from the Kashmir valley and suddenly there were foreign terrorists. It is more about geographical imbalances. Mumbai blasts and other such disruptive activities were attributed to terrorist activities. Initially Government blamed Pakistan for its failure to provide safety to Indian citizens but then government’s own agencies compiled a list which has been extracted by Hassan somewhere.

I can not visualise my country without my Muslim brethren.

What do I do about the terrorist?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Expose the terrorists, Ramesh! That’s what we can do. They fester when ignored and condoned. They destroy a worthy religion. Islam is great, but these terrorists ruin it! And some people condone the nefarious activities of these terrorists.

The Moro Land in the Philippines was relatively peaceful in their demand for their ancestral domains. It got screwed up when terrorists came in, wanting to own it for terroristic training grounds. Mindanao has been used to further the activities of al-Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah.
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Madam,

I am trying to go to to the root of the problem. I am being branded a Islam basher and hate-spreader. A lady has threatened to leave instablogs. Not that she disputes a single sentence of what I write but because it does not suit her Sufi taste. It is quite possible that some one will issue a fatwa to eliminate me. Who knows?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I know what you mean, Ramesh. But how can we have the freedom of resolution when we cannot even have the freedom of discussion?
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
You know Ramesh, Sufis were nice people.. Rumi, Hafiz etc were sufis who stood against radicalism and supported love and peace. Though I don’t have any idea about god or it’s/his/her existence, they believed that the only way to reach god is through spreading the message of love and peace and not by the word of sword like radical islamists did. If the self proclaimed sufi here really knew what sufis were trying to say, she wouldn’t spread hatred. By the way sufi believers were prosecuted and killed by the thousands by radicals themselves. Even the Taliban killed sufi followers and had banned sufi religious music and prayers. Sufi musicians were all slaughtered in Afghanistan
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Ramesh bhai,
I shall include you as a friend today!!!
We have many people like you enjoying both sides of a convesation... till it is time to torpedo peace and justice.

Yet you will also passionately advocate it’s cause without really understanding the sacrifice it entails.may I remind you of that famous saying ”patroitism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”...and to this I add ” all misery flows out of the mouth of a priest.” (= Mullah,Rabbi etc ,etc).

Rembember peace is not about winning a political or religious arguement..it never was...it is about upholding the principles of justice and equal rights for everybody
Regards
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A lovers craving to meet her beloved; her longings, her pain, sufferings, purity of heart, purity of love finds expression in poetry, music and literature. In religion it is described as ”Atma ka Parmatma se Milan”. Followers of Islam describe it as Sufism. Radical Muslims find it unworthy of true Islam and persecute the followers. Nevertheless, its a universal craving when soul wants to meet its creator. In north india Saint kabir was its proponent in 16th century Benares.
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Jenab Hassan,

I have nothing to win from you or fariha or others. I have nothing to gain by exposing the double talk carried out in the name of religionwho practice hatred.

I write in pain and in anger on being hurt. As happens in small brawls, I find peace lovers jumping in to say sorry on behalf of seemingly aggressive parties to end the argument. The argument does not end. Silencing a critic does not silence his thoughts. Fariha is resorting to emotional blackmail. She is not likely to go away so soon, is my reading, as predicted earlier by Jai. She may take some time off; thats the maximum. Her craving as a Sufi will bring her back to spread message of the Lord. She will overcome the anguish.

Thanks for including me as friend. I will try to be worthy of your friendship.

Incidently, I am a friend of fariha too. You may check that by going to either mine or her blog.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Ramesh Balam;

I wish it were as easy to make friends in real life,as this insta blog seems to suggest.Unfortunately it is not.Much as I would like to have you as a friend, I find the different frequencies at which our two minds work means that for the time being we can only continue with our attempt at better communications.

By the way i am a poet too ;and even though this blog has no place for literary persuits,I shall try to post one of my poems somewhere today...and see how it goes.I think poetry is one of the more civilised methods of communicating feelings and emotions.
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Hassan,

It was your wish to include me as your friend. Again, it is your wish not to. I have no problem either way.

I agree that I have different opinion, differing opinion which is not prejudiced on caste, colour, creed, sex, race, region, religion, etc. Some people think that friends should not criticise. I feel that in that case, the friend is not true. Knowing the weakness and still liking is the best and lasting relationship amongst friends.
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Radhika
mumbai, India
God made man
Man made religion
It is man’s fault that we are divide into various religions.
My spiritual guru preaches that all saints that came to the world at various times preached only one thing...finding god within oneself
it is man that misconstrued the preaching to suit his daily routine and represent HIS ideas not GOD’s
God doesn’t say kill one another
NO GOD SAYS THAT!!!
The sooner we all realize this the faster peace will enter our lives again
God is one
We should really try to find him within and not in some scripts, texts, temples, church, gurudwara or mosque
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thanks for the comment, Radhika! I believe you 1001%. It’s man that’s complicating religion which he created and interpreted.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,
I havn’t even written any article yet at what the Philipines is doing to the Moros!This first one was only about The Muslim heritage and how the peaceful Indian traders (from Tamil Nadu) established Islam in the religion and how the Spanish tried to establish catholicism..but failed to uproot Islam.
And I clearly told you how the Philipines dealt with the moros will be the third one.Girl are you worried already?
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
My! You don’t even remember what you write in your comments! Oh my Gas!

”The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.”

Oh well, I’ll let you be. Go and write those articles now that you threaten will worry me. Replying to you is an exercise in futility as is already obvious by now to many people here that you are a FANATICAL.

Just come up with factual details so I can take you seriously. If you can’t come up with factual and balanced details about my country, I suggest you keep to yours. If I remember it right, your Pakistan-India article was also lambasted for being lopsided and tilted.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
If i may just butt in reiterate what I have been saying all the while.

Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
You’re right, Gagandeep. The aspect of religion screwed this up.

I stressed and underscored the political agenda of radical Islamists, wanting to present the political aspect of it all. Unfortunately, some see it in the light of religion.

I mentioned Islamist state, totalitarian movement, law, etc. because that’s precisely what I want to drive at. What I want to say is that radical Islamists are not necessarily about Islam because they are more for political ideology and pursuing a political agenda.

Why can’t people divorce the two so the world’s laws can deal with radical Islamists/terrorists as breakers of laws?
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
Here we have a new story! Gagandeep, i dont think we are primarily strugling with any religion here but rather about right and wrong, tyranny and unfairness. Now u drag the Lord in here that ”Dear GOD, you are the culprit, pls leave us alone!”

I mean i dont understand how can u even say that God is the cause of evil !?! And then u guys have all the right here, hey we are free to say whatever we fel like, freedom of expression!” I mean there has to be a limit to freedom of expression. Do we go about abusing our mother coz we are have freedom of expression? May be before accusing God we should accuse our moms and dads as they brought us into the evil world!

Pls, i request to u have SOME LIMIT and SENSE when u express your inner most feelings. God wont become evil by your crazy statment but u can hurt many people who happen to love him; you need to have some regard for the Beloved of some... if u can.... MAN, i should bang my head in the wall!!!
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
@ Fariha


Are you going to set the limits of our freedom of expression? It would be interesting to see that.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
That Grace cannot happen because Islam is what fuels political ideologies of these people. Unlike others they derive their political means and ends from scriptures and not discussion. Tell me then how can the issue remain disinterested from religion?

If only they could not wage it all in the name of a non-existent Allah, all would have been well. There would have been fights but causes and results would have been clearer and perhaps easier to deal with.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
@Fariha how I’m sorry to have commented on your final post before reading this comment.

Seems like you are a true devout, unable to hear anyone criticize him (yes a small ’h’). If that’s so I apologize purely for making you think about banging your head against the wall, and not against expressing what I sincerely believe to be true (and I thank some for seconding it).

What I am saying that religion and god are two of the most successful weapons for someone who cannot justify his aim by any other means. I rest my case. And this isn’t the place to discuss it anyway.

Sorry Grace.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
That’s okay, Gagandeep. I understand what you mean exactly, and in its entirety. :)
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Jai,

No dear how can i set limits of defining freedom of expression, but i thought i was in the middle of some civilized and educated ple who cud extend mutual respect to other’s beliefs and feelings. I was a fool darling as i was sure since a long time.

How can i expect any limit where ple are actually proud of having no god. ofcourse i dont belong here darling and my decision was surely true. I belong to the One who does not exist for you. He has given u nothing, but He has given everything to me. So i prefer to be His servant than to be your friend here. The one who cannot be grateful to His Creator and deny Him, what good can be be to His creation? Thats a matter of shame for me and matter of pride for u.

To be your way and to me be mine an let HIm decide... oh sory, but he doesnt even exist. Cheers.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
God exists for you and he/she/it doesn’t for me and a million others. And I don’t care if he/she/it existed. That shouldn’t be a problem for you and become the deciding factor for being here or leaving. How can you run away from people who disagree with you? Won’t you be open to people’s opinions? I thought you would be.. You are disappointing me..
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If I apply your own logic Fariha, look what you said: ”No dear how can i set limits of defining freedom of expression, but i thought i was in the middle of some civilized and educated ple who cud extend mutual respect to other’s beliefs and feelings. I was a fool darling as i was sure since a long time.”
This can hurt many. There should be mass exodus from this forum...
Also if disagreeing means not showing mutual respect, then there will never be any place for arguments or debate under the sun.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
LOL... be disapointed Jai, Rumi says (he too had a GOD) that we shud live with the ones of our own kind or we will destroy ourselves.

May be i am coward thats why i am ruunig away. I am scared of u and many godless ple as Allah has taught me that the one who does not fear Him, does not fear anything and can go to any extent of evil.

So darling, we dont belong together... Namasty India ;)
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Madhuri,

See girl, we actually do belong to two different worlds. And i think this gap cannot be bridged. And arguments lead nowhere as u wud know. I am sorry if any of my coments here have hurt anyone.., may be i am also adhereing to freedom of expression...LOL

i will destroy my own values if i stay here coz i can never make ple understand my point and may b i can never undertsnad their’s.... there are 2 differnt worlds altogether taht we are in. See, its better for me to go yar, not to disapoint or hurt anyone. Take care.

Allah Hafiz
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
If I may just butt in reiterate what I have been saying all the while.

Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun. ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
How true.. We don’t need these defense mechanisms. we are strong enough to life life and raise children without the support of something that is non existent at best and which drives people to kill or should i say massacre. We don’t need religions or god.
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I agree, I guess because tempers flare fastest when religion comes into picture, religion has been an important political tool to divide and rule in the world.
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Fariha Jamil
Lahore, Pakistan
@ Jai,

Sure Jai, u are ur own god, but in that case u should never die. Will u ? can u? LOL
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There is a difference between Ishwar and Bhagwan. Ishwar is imageless, omnipresent, formless and runs the universe. Bhagwan (Devi, Devta or gods and goddesses), take birth and die after finishing off their assigned job of that particular birth cycle.

Gandhiji said ”Allah Ishwar tero naam” meaning Allah and Ishwar is thy name which puts Allah and Ishwar at par.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
Damn it all. I butted in thrice :P
Someone please be kind enough to delete two of the replications.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I fight for justice that has no color of bias, Hassan.

I already said that I’ll just read what you come up with. But then again if it isn’t balanced and just tilted to show that Moros were oppressed for their faith, then I have to tell you as early as now that sorry I cannot take you seriously and will admonish your attempt to spread wrong information.

And I will leave you with this FACT:

Moros aren’t opppressed in the Philippines right this very minute, by Filipinos. It’s radical Islamists that are oppressing their fellow Muslims. Take that as fact or ignore it, that’s up to you.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,
I choose to ignore it,till I take the issue upin my third article.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
I came back to make the 100th comment. Woo Hoo! for a change I was first to the post :P
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hahaha! You beat me to it by a millisecond! Congrats! :):)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Btw, Hassan, what in this article of mine do you disagree with? Because your retort via a historical write-up on the Philippines is obviously fired with biased sentiments.

So, if you cannot point out what you don’t agree with in this post entitled ”Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad,” then I take it that you agree with everything I wrote.
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Gagandeep
Shimla, India
And you’ll win by de fault, nice move.

I hope you don’t hate my butting in too much :P
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hehe... Of course, I welcome you’re butting in anytime.

Ok now that the air seems to be thinning a bit. let’s all heave a sigh of relief! Sigh...

Now, let’s have a group hug! (((HUGS)))

LOL I love you all!!!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Hassan Hassan Brother Brother, I am not the enemy. I belong to the Muslims of Mindanao, too. I just came back last night from the refugee camps (thousands fled from their homes and communities after the terroristic attacks of radical Islamists since August 18).

Let’s stop this fighting. It’s a complete waste of comment boxes that just spill of vitriol.

I assure you that I’m not attacking Islam. Readers here will attest to that.

So, bro, you are barking up the wrong tree.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Grace,
Taking a cue from you,I will give my reply to this elsewhere!!!And No...I don’t agree with anything you say in it.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Ok then, that’s up to you. If you say that you do not agree with the definitions in this article about Muslim Fundamentalism and Radical Islamism, then I cannot do anything anymore to help you.

Have peace and tolerance, Hassan, you’re a Muslim!

I am not but I will give and leave you peace and tolerance.

PEACE, BROTHER!
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
@Fariha: Yes you have used all the freedom of expression you possibly could and in fact, much more.. And you wanted some sort of limits on this freedom to be brought in. Limits because what we said did not tally with your opinions (most of which are ignorant). Im sure the limits must be enforced who have opinions which are just like yours.

And you won’t be leaving soon.. you will be around even after I’m gone, and you may still be around when I’m dead and burnt and comment here saying ’A godless devil’s ashes were thrown in to the sea today, Long Live Him’
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The most-sane comments are from you. Keep it up !
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Thank you Ramesh.. Yours are just as sane.. keep up the spirit!
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Jayashree
bangalore, India
’A godless devil’s ashes were thrown in to the sea today, Long Live Him’

Tee hee hee!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
He’s great with dialogue Jayashree, isn’t he? :) That’s our Jaiyant! ;)
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
But I told you where you were dubious. And that’s just one point. But you chose to ignore it. Let me write that comment again here, for your sake:

You said:

”The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years.”

Wow!

Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?

The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.

Do the Math.



See, it was just one question and you cannot even answer it, and just chose to evade answering it. And you’re threatening a discussion of the history of my country after accusing me of not knowing my history??

DUH...
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Radhika
mumbai, India
I am glad to see that this post has generated such healthy views of god, religion, and freedom of expression. Im going to pray to lord Kishna (today is dahi-handi) to give every one Sat Buddhi (better sense)and let everyone take a leaf out of Kishna’s life...else i’ll recite the entire Bhagwad now....
LOL! just kidding.....
All the best to all the varied views...
relax take a chill pill
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thanks Radhika! I already walked to the altar on my knees and did Penance sixteen times. LOL

These are varied views alright, but I just wish it’s been indeed a healthy discussion for all.

I’m invigorated enough to just sit it out at Starbucks, with a tall glass of iced latte!
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initially the deiscussion appeared to be leading towards a free for all boxing bout. The saner comments of the moderator has brought the real problem in focus and the subject on the burner. Kudos !
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Eitan
Jerusalem, Israel
initially the deiscussion appeared to be leading towards a free for all boxing bout. The saner comments of the moderator has brought the real problem in focus and the subject on the burner.


Who is the moderator?
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I believe, it is Grace. Any doubts? Or, you have some one else in mind?
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Jaiyant Cavale
Bangalore, India
Grace isn’t the moderator, and at instablogs there isn’t a moderator as such. However, everyone is obliged to moderate his/her/it’s comments and make sure it doesn’t get ugly. (However it has.. Lol). However, Grace’s comments are always sane.
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I stand corrected.
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Vijay
Kota, India
Thanks,Grace for initiating such a thorough analytical debate on Islam.Islam is not such an old relegion.There exist very very ancient relegions and faiths which are very very old compare to Islam.All relegions gives message,how to improve the life of living beings,teaches values,dicipline and all other ”good” things in life.
But in Islam it seems their relegion teaches..KILL,KILL ,KILL everyone who dont beleive in Islam.They forgets even about their earlier history and relegions.They dont gives respect to their past history and culture.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thank you, too, Vijay for your comments. I see that you really wanted to emphasize the message that you want to put across here. You started commenting yesterday and had more follow-ups today, hehe...

I respect your comments and I’m glad that a post like this gave you an opportunity to voice out what you want to say.
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Vijay
Kota, India
I THINK THEIR EXIST OTHER CLASS OF MUSLIMS ALSO IN INDIA.
YESTERDAY I SAW THREE GIRLS,GOING ON THEIR FOOT FOR LONG JOURNEY TO ’SALEEM CHISHTEY DARGAH’,AJMER.THEY CARRIED TWO FLAGS IN THEIR HAND.ONE FOR ’RAMDEOBABA’ AND ANOTHER FOR DARGAH.
YES THERE IS ’HOPE’ FOR INDIA.
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Vijay
Kota, India
Farih Jamil,i think and hope,Muslim community must bring some changes.Peoples are changing with time,then why not relegion and style of living.Camel is no more a prime mode of travel and transport.
Peoples like you who have knowledge of other relegions too,must come forward,without fear to bring about a change.
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Vijay
Kota, India
This isn’t relegion or faith,it’s mere ’fanatism’,an act just to destroy all things ’human’.Intellectual must come forward to bring about some changes and make them atleast at par with other HUMAN beings.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I agree with you, Vijay, that Radical Islamism is the extreme of fanaticism. That is why my real and only intention for writing this article is to make a demarcation line between Islam, the religion, and Radical Islamism which is an underhanded political agenda that hides in the guise of a religion.

Hopefully, writing about it will help me, in my own little way and in my corner of the world, to do something to eradicate Islamophobia, or at least lessen it.
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AlaDdin
Amman, Jordan
"When the Arabs love their children more than they hate us we will have peace".

Who started this Arab-Israeli conflict? The root cause of radical Islam gaining popularity is the plantation of the Zionist seed in the heart of Muslim Arab land by the West. From then the brutality the Jews carried out against unarmed Arabs to take some kind of historical revenge is the cause of terrorism.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
And it’s been one revenge after another. Till when? In the avenger’s mind, revenge is justified and necessary. So, bloodshed will just go on and on and on.
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AlaDdin
Amman, Jordan
"And it’s been one revenge after another. Till when? In the avenger’s mind, revenge is justified and necessary. So, bloodshed will just go on and on and on."

The one to start this must stop this. Israel must return all occupied Arab land including Palestine and whatever they captured in the 6-Day war. All displaced Palestinians must be given the right to return which is guaranteed by the International Human Rights Charter. Then they must stop the killings. Rob the terrorists of their cause and have peace. Israel in the last 60 years have shown nothing but complete indifference to international opinion and treated Arabs with contempt. Most Israelis are not ethnic Arab Jews. They are foreigners and/or of alien origin who do not know anything about the indigenous culture and tradition but driven by hatred to kill Muslim locals.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Then all the more that we see precisely what it’s been all this time - politics and not religion.

Islam is Islam for what it is - a religion. Radical Islamism is political in nature. Putting the two together, as some have tried to identify one with the other, is hurting the religion.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi ALaDin,
Don’t you see the reasoning of the people who term your figt as islamic radicalism? According to them you will actually be loving your children more,when you stop killing or fighting againstyour childrens killers!!

Boy they have applied this kind of mentality to the Moros for almost 500 years,you people are comparative new comers to their defination of love.
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Sharon
West bank, Palestine
We love our children more than we hate our Jewish oppressors. They have targeted and killed small children taking shelter..... they have also targeted and killed pregnant woman by shooting them in the belly region..... Muslims today don't take things lying down..... therefore they blow themselves up if there is no arms to fight with.....
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
And we see more and more each day how things have really gone out of hand. I’m sure you’ll agree to say that all this hatred has to stop.
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Hassan Rizvi
Lahore, Pakistan
Hi Sharon,

Of course you are correct.Islam indeed any other religion or even ideology justifies fighting in any way against those who oppress you.Only some people here wount support that principle,because as they say,”birds of a feather flock togather”. the Moros have been facing this type of treatment for 500 years ;and are still at it.I don’t blame them-nor do i blame your people.
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Islam is peace, they say. Islam is not peace for non believers. Muslims are rabid communalists. Some of them quote Holy Quran, practise violence and terrorise people in the name of Islam. Other Muslims either support them in the name of Muslim brotherhood or remain silent spectators. This majority of Muslims who are guilty of providing a fertile ground for terrorists to take root, grow and spread terror are (quoted by muslim intelligentia as peaceful} equally responsible.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I get what you mean, Ramesh. That for radical Islamism to have grown into such proportions, something must have let it grow by way of tolerating, condoning, and supporting it.

But you know in the Philippines, their fellow Muslims are not really condoning the acts of these terrorists. Not all of Bangsamoro (that’s Muslim land in southern Philippines) approve of the way radical Islamists employ to get their desired end.

In fact, the radical Islamist Moro Islamic Liberation Front was a splinter separatist group of the earlier Moro National Liberation Front (which is the governing political party of Bangsamoro - or more officially called the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao or ARMM).

So in the Philippines, a huge majority of Muslims definitely repel the Muslim terrorists.
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Please check the world view on Islam through the following link :-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thank you for the link, Ramesh. Yes, I’ve studied that, too, earlier. Everything for balanced views!
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Dear Grace B ,

It’s very clear that radical Islamists are cause of worry for the whole world .There is urgent need of right interpretation of Quranic verses to bring peace and order in world .It’s another thing that it’s very difficult for the Muslims to rise above the hard-core interpretations of Islamic perceptions . But I wonder why the feeling of alienation is felt so strongly by the Muslim community while being placed amidst other societies? Who has given them the right to butcher people in the name of creating Islamic state across the globe?

One cannot ignore the fact the dangerous interpretation of the Islamic perceptions have given rise to all sorts of problem .Probably, this is why it’s difficult for average Muslim to remain faithful to a particular country even if they have been living there from thousands of years .Only because greater faith in the rules framed by the Allah are superior than the land of law. No wonder why the killings are always in the name of Allah!!

It’s indeed a hard nut to crack for people outside the realm of Islamic perceptions to think of bringing substantial change in the Muslim mindset. The word of kafirs wouldn’t impress the Muslim society. So the only option left is that Muslim Ulemmas come out with better and honest interpretations .Otherwise , it’s very clear that we are moving towards a sharp and ominous polarization of the world community .It remains to be seen whether virtuous souls within Muslim community are able to marginalize the radical Islamists .
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thanks for your long comment, Arvind. My purpose for this article is to separate Islam from radical Islamism because only the enterprising entities have the political agenda that radical Islamism has.

I feel that it’s greatly unfair for the religion to be always associated with the evil doings of these renegades.
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
Dear Grace B ,

You have done a great job . By calling a spade a spade , you have given a fitting reply to the radical Islamists .

Yes, religion should not be blamed for the misdeeds of small section of deluded souls . However , one cannot ignore the fact that Islam has been held hostage to wrong interpretations of Quranic teachings .PBUH might have uttered these perceptions with right intentions but they have turned into convenient medium to harass the non-believers.Who has given radical Islamists the right to kill people in the name of Allah ? Why Islamic state of affairs is the only way of bringing light in the world ? Against this backdrop , it’s really very hard to believe that Islam arrived in the world to establish the kingdom of peace on the earth !!
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Ramesh Balam
Pune, India
There is no chance.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
Thank you, Arvind.

You’re right. Some have twisted the scriptures to serve their political end, while some others have been blindly led to misinterpret further because they have been brainwashed by these enterprising ones.

But I have met some who belong to the religion and are living an example of peace.

We see the extreme, but we also find the true proponents of peace who live in peace. I’ve met a lot of the latter.

While they cannot so much as help remedy the situation, they just quietly live the best of the scriptures.

People are varied, religion or none.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
There is a chance, Ramesh. Everything evolves. Religion is but one aspect of man, and even that is dependent on many other attendant factors.

It’s politics that is hopeless, don’t you think so? :)
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
Dear Grace B ,

Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .

Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
( Sorry , I accidentally clicked the publish button before finishing the reply. )

Dear Grace B ,

Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .

Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,the mastermind behind the Gujarat’s bomb blasts , is being defended by none other than the Shahi Imam of Delhi’s Jama Masjid, Maulana Ahmed Bukhari .You will find many Muslim intellectuals shedding tears for banned organization like SIMI-an organization found involved in many anti-national activities . According to a latest news report , the educated Muslim youths have joined in large number the cadres of SIMI .If that’s the case , it’s nothing short of foolhardiness to think of better days !!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
@ Arvind

You seem to be certain that the situation with Muslims will not change. I can understand if your immediate basis is Indian Muslims. I really am not in the know with that sector.

But I have personally witnessed the attempts of Muslims to change and evolve, and integrate themselves into the mainstream of society outside the Muslim world. I have met progressive Muslims who practice the good in their scriptures in the communities where they belong. I’ve been with events connected with Inter-Faith Dialogue where Muslims are open to suggestions, thereby showing that they do not have an insular mind. I have met Muslims who condemn the doings of radical Islamists, even if these lawless elements are fellow Muslims.

Not all Muslims are fundamentalists. While they respect their scriptures, most are also willing to embrace the thoughts of others.

These are enough basis for me to say that there is hope, if only we see that it’s hopeful.

Aren’t some of us being ”fundamentalist,” too, with our opinion of them, thereby making sweeping generalizations?

That is why I am very particular with separating Islam from radical Islamism. Because, often, our opinion of Muslims really revolves around the radical Islamists.
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
And by hope I also mean that there are legal ways to deal with radical Islamists.

THe International Criminal Court at The Hague is about to issue an arrest warrant for Omar al-Bashir, President of Sudan, for 3 counts of genocide and other counts (for a total of 10 counts) for war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, murder, pillaging, etc. in Darfur.

al-Bashir runs a radical Islamist state in Sudan, and this indictment of his at the ICC proves that radical Islamists are not above the law, and that the doctrine of universal jurisdiction can put an end to his dictatorial and tyrannical career.

Yes, there is hope that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc.
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@ Grace B ,

I am an eternal optimist .Plus I have no personal grudges against Muslim community be they in India or America . However,it’s very difficult to ignore the implications of dangerous activities of Muslim minds across the globe .Unless they are ready to believe that other religions are too on par with Quranic percepts ,it’s really very difficult to hope against hope.There are many Sumeras who believe that ” the final message as the muslims believe is the Quran in which no alteration is allowed or even expected ”( http://subil.instablogs.com/entry/appreciating-religious-differences/ ) .

Anyway ,let’s hope ”that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc ” !!!!
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
I believe you, Arvind. I can’t close my eyes either to problems that they create. Here in the Philippines alone, we’ve beeb dealing with radical Islamists.

No, it’s rather tough to think that all radical Islamists will be eradicated. But at least, they don’t get into genocidal careers.

Even I was appalled with that post you linked. I commented on that and got a reply that said ”there’s no such thing as radical Islamism” or something to that effect.

I was shocked to learn that there are still some people who haven’t heard of radical Islamism!
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ARVIND K.PANDEY
PRAYAG, India
@ Grace B ,

Many thanks for accepting my viewpoint . We are on the same boat as far as radical Islamist is concerned .Though it’s very difficult to eliminate crooked interpretations of Islamic ideas , let’s hope the by-product of these flawed Islamic beliefs get marginalized in the days to come .
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Grace Calderon
Quezon City, Philippines
What I hope for beyond fundamentalism to thin out is for religious leaders and teachers to be progressive enough to instigate and promote change.

Religious fundamentalism (of any religion) is only for nitwits.