
This was a quote from former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir. Today, it applies not just to Israel and the Arabs, but to the world and the Radical Islamists as a whole.
I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.
Radical Islamism is the twisted bastard son of Islam.
First things first. There is a difference, even, between Muslim fundamentalism and radical Islamism.
Muslim fundamentalists believe that sacred scripture is considered the authentic and authoritative word of their religion’s god and no person has the right to change it or disagree with it. They restrict themselves to literal interpretations of their sacred texts, the Qur’an (central religious text of Islam) and Hadith (oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad). All Muslims (Sunni or Shia) use the same Qur’an.
For the Muslim fundamentalists, the problems of the world stem from secular influences. A Muslim fundamentalist can issue a fatwah such as “every Muslim who pleads for the suspension of the sharia is an apostate and can be killed.”
The killing of those apostates cannot be prosecuted under Islamic law just because this killing is “justified.” The command to slay is an invention of Islamic fundamentalists.
There’s only one thing Muslim fundamentalists hate more than infidels: traitors to the cause.
Muslim fundamentalism comes in conflict with some provisions of the internationally supported Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Among these are: freedom from religious police, the equality between men and women, and the separation of religion and state. As to freedom of religion, Muslim fundamentalists believe that Muslims who leave Islam or criticize it “should be executed,” while the right of non-Muslims to convert to Islam should be celebrated.
Radical Islamism may be an entirely different banana.
A Muslim Fundamentalist is “a political individual” in search of a “more original Islam,” while the Islamist is pursuing a political agenda. Radical Islamism is Islam + Political Agenda.
Radical Islamism is a totalitarian movement that wants to establish a worldwide radical Islamist state. This envisioned state will support religious wars against non-Islamist Muslims and non-Muslim infidels worldwide. Jihad, or Holy War, is a religiously sanctioned call for individual and collective violence made by radical Islamists against “infidels” worldwide. Fatah, or military conquest, is the employment of Jihad for imperial expansion and colonization of non-Islamic lands. Radical Islamists believe that fatah is as legitimate today as when the concept gave rise to a series of invasions of countries outside Islam’s original birthplace in the Arabian Peninsula.
Radical Islamists want to establish the supremacy of their version of Islam over all other Faiths. This is what they call the “Global Jihad” (waged by Islamic radicals against the Western world). They believe that they will rule the world because of their conviction in the superiority of their religion.
The political ideology of Islamism calls for the replacement of state secular laws with Islamic Law. Islamists believe that Islam is not only a religion but also a political system. Others define it as “an Islamic militant, anti-democratic movement, bearing a holistic vision of Islam whose final aim is the restoration of the caliphate.”
Radical Islamists would like to impose Sharia law with a central government to rule the world. That’s their definition of survival of the Qur’an and of their group. On the other hand, the Western civilizations’ definition of survival of their group is democracy and general separation of church and state.
Here lies the difference in the survival moral of what should be the surviving moral.
The message of the Qur’an and the Hadith are clear. They are the text and oral tradition of the origins of the thought. They mean well as far as intentions go. They are the ideal. However, they are, too, subject to misinterpretation by those who practice them.
The misinterpretation of Islam is not done by the non-Muslim world. Twisting the religion is committed by Muslims themselves.
Radical Islamism is the bad egg in the egg basket. And we all know what bad eggs can do.
To say that radical Islamists are stubborn and arrogant is an understatement. They are murderers and looters, killers and common thieves. They are one religion’s bad reputation.
It is true that barbarism exists somewhere else. It is true that death in the hand of a common street mugger gone jittery is no less forgivable than the killing of a life in a womb. What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.
The phrase ‘Allahu Akbar’ is the opening declaration of every Islamic prayer. It is a slogan prescribed by the Prophet Muhamad to the mujahids of Islam. ‘Allahu Akbar’ is recited on many occasions such as in the beginning of prayer of Hazrat Bibi Fatimah, by the mujahids of Islam, and when animals are slaughtered.
What is more sickening than for killers of men to shout “God is the greatest!” before and after they kill?
I wonder how Allah would want to deal with his despicable creatures.
If it is too much to ask, Oliver Twist once asked, can I have some more please? Today I ask, Can we all have some peace, please?
Hope is the most oppressive situation.
But hope is the only thing we have! We cling on to hope for hope.
Thank you for hoping that the Philippines and the rest of the troubled world will survive darkness.
If people stay within their chosen religions, then maybe we can have hope. Hope is killed when man starts to have an ulterior motive that is most likely fashioned out of a political mold.
I meant to say that we can’t have peace. You are asking for way too much.
But that’s all they have, for the longest time.
I think hope has nothing to do with objective reality.
I NEED PEACE AND SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD.
I feel sick
If there is such a thing as ’crimes against humanity,’ is there an equivalent to this in Islam?
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Its a shame that even in the new millennium we still have people who are more content on raking up age old issues just to prove their own superiority over others.
I believe that in the modern world, terrorism has very little to do with religion itself and more to do with the fact that people still aren’t being given equal opportunities.
The London-based terrorists or the Al-Quaida or even the Indian Mujahideen who claim to be blowing up citizens because their people were wronged sometime in the past really need to own up to the fact that they haven’t done any service to their people by their acts.
Osama blew up WTC and in return thousands of innocent muslims got massacred in Afghanistan and millions more face discrimination around the world because of that one day.
There are bombs going up every day in Iraq and Pakistan and even Kashmir thanks to the millions of dollar that these outfits receive in funds. I just want to know why cant these funds be used to provide better education, medical care and safe food and clean drinking water to the poorer sects??
Hindu agitators massacred innocent Muslims in Gujarat riots and vice versa. The leaders of the riots never got hurt, the ordinary people did which only goes on to show that terrorism never really proves anything or does anything for the common man!!!
I am leaving FINALLY coz i feel its no good how much we talk on this.... we may write pages or books but ple, things, hatred, evil wont change. A comment somewhere up here just proved it. So i feel we should concentrate on our own beings and purify our inner souls (BTW thats called jihad -e- akbar, the greatest form of jihad). That inner transformation may help this outer world become a better place... our words are useless. At least i will try to become a better person by strifing within myself and killing the evils within myself Inshallah.
May Allah protect, guide, forgive and show the right path to us all. Ameen
Allah Hafiz and Take care.
But, hey, if you give me a SCUD missile right now, I’ll blow up those radical Islamists without batting an eyelash! Hehe...
Don’t feel bad, girl. Don’t carry the Islam world on your shoulders. Hehe...
You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’.I will be posting an article about Phillipines in a day or two-be sure to read and comment on it;I will appreciate beeing corrected if I am wrong.As for Ramesh he obviously keeps permanent copies of pre-typed comments ,which he copy pastes all over with slight ammendments.Here is a reply I gave somewhere else to his exact same comment above on quotes from the Holy Quran:
Ramesh Balam’
Read what you have quoted yourself ,again and again if need be.Then relate them to the fact that all verses about fighting the pagans and unbelievers in The Holy Book are about fighting those who:
1.Harassed and tortured the Muslims when they were helpless few in Mecca.
2.Forced them to migrate to Medina.
3.Even there they did not leave the Muslims in peace and attacked them with a large army,and continued conspiring with some Jews to completely wipe them out-till they were defeated by The Muslims when they conquered Mecca.On this occassion the Holy prophet following the above quoted advise not only defeated teh Qureish of Mecca; but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
Perhaps if you have an open mind you will find each advise is not only perfectly correct for the situation in which the Muslims found themselves ,but also most humane and correct for any age in which the Muslims face a similar condition.
... but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
his "tormentors"? this is rubbish. muhammad was a political and military leader. this is propaganda. and then who is muhammad to "forgive" some one for following a different faith?
Yes Grace, Islam very much addresses wat and how to punish ple and particularly Muslims if they are wrong. Allah does not give Muslims any favor for being Muslims, He is just and all are His ple. Muslims can be favourites ’if’ they folow the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who is ”mercy for all the worlds”. The punishment for killing any person unduly is nothing less than death. Anyone who kills any person unduly should be punished to death. So they too deserve the same if they are killing innocent ple.
Here is my last post at insta. http://fariha.instablogs.com/entry/a-message-for-the-muslims-and-non-muslims/
This message must reach to all Muslims in particular and to all mankind in gerneral. Grace, may be you should get it printed and distribute it to Muslims or something like that which would practically help the situation. Dont worry abt me, Islam aint a burden for me, but i feel our talking here can do no practical good in this situation. So why waste words... TC
If you cannot substantiate what you mean by: ”Grace, You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’,” then I will simply think that you were not thinking when you wrote this comment.
Didn’t you see the post up there? Did you even read it? Or did you just blabber a knee-jerk reaction? I suggest you read the post. You might learn a thing or two about radical Islamism from it.
I wrote exactly what I meant.You know neither your own history,nor yet anything about Islamic values.You are what 500 years of Spanish and American terrorism has turned you into ...devoted catholics most of whom are now come adrift from even this false hope their priests gave them.
As for the comment ”If you cannot substantiate what you mean”.I was wanting to sincerly avoid my having to educate you about your history,and was hoping you would be wise enough to just take the hint and research yourself.But since you insist I will post my first article today ... and one every two days thereafter.A total of three in all.After all I cannot hope to distill a thosand years of history into anything less.Please do read ...and offer your comments.
May God keep you pure and good...and grant you peace and contentenment..and the grace to remain composed..and the ability to recognise the truth when you see it.
You said:
”Fight is allowed in self defence and in that case its not terrorism.”
I will keep within my territory, though I can give other examples outside of my country.
Radical Islamists attacked Mindanao towns killing civilians, torching property, looting stores (even children’s piggy banks), hostaging civilians, sending many innocent people fleeing as refugees, etc etc.
These incidents (particularly on August 18, 2008), were ON THE OFFENSIVE. Radical Islamists were not defending themselves here.
These were purely terroristic attacks as claimed even by the commander that the attacks were meant to ”send a clear signal to the Philippine government and Filipinos.” Any which way you look at this, this is NOT IN DEFENSE, and were definitely ACTS OF TERRORISM.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
They were defending their right to live as they wish in their own land.They are defending their right to their own values and beliefs -something they have been fighting the Spainards and Americans for too since last 500 years .
And as for the small incidents you mention- even if they kill a 1000 times as much they will not exceed the certainly over 200,000 native Filiponos at minimum (some say over 500,000) BUTCHED IN PHILIPINES BY THE AMERICANS IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS LATE AS 1898-1902.
It is so very hypocritical when you paint your butchers as the paragon of virtue,and the victims as the terrorists.
You have made your point very clear in this post and the previous post. Its unfortunate that all arguments against Radical Islamism or discussion about misinterpretation of Islam are being seen as ’Islamophobia’. ’Islamophobia’ is the new defense line for some people.
@Fariha, Hassan
The point remains, the discussion here is violence and crimes against humanity in the name of religion. We are not giving terrorism a colour of religion, the rebel groups carrying out slaughter in the name of ’ALLAH’ are giving claiming it loudly enough to be fight in the name of religion.
These terrorists are creating a ground for Islamophobia by all this slaughter and violent means to ’send’ their message accross.
Unfortunately you use a derogatory tone when you comment about all those who criticize role of religion. We don’t wear our religion and beliefs on our collars and use it as shield of protection and quote scriptures.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’ISLAM’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I am against use of any religion or any other excuse as a tool of spreading hatred and intolerance. Please read: http://madkat70.instablogs.com/entry/will-hatred-be-modern-world-s-wmd/
What i dont understand is that why do u gyus feel that you are the only ones who condenm terrorism? Do u find me or other eductaed and sane Muslims supporting killing? I dont think so. But you seem to ignore all my comments where i have stated that IT IS WRONG. Your commnets sugest that its probably only Grace and you who love mankind and the rest pf the world, especially all the MUSLIMS are tyrants, whereas those who are invloved in these activities and hold such thoughts are but few. Every Muslim belives in PEACE and TOLERANCE and pls dont give under tones that all of them are killing in the name of religion.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
The same criticism stands for any and all religions guilty of such violence, Christianity is not exempt. I have even seen examples of Buddhist intolerance and violence (!!!).
I think that an article is yet to be written on the ways in which people inversely define themselves reflexively through their static texts in a search for personal continuity and psychological security in a world which offers them none...
Practiced on a mass scale, fundamentalism is but a step behind radicalism. And both spring from whatever we like to put as the moderate versions of religion. I said it elsewhere before and I say it again if one’s purpose is peaceful, one would as easily find teachings that further the same, else the verses calling for being interpreted for evil purposes are aplenty.
Is this the fault of the interpreter or of the scriptures? I believe it is the latter. You may decide on your own.
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Who has given you the right to speak for others? Don't try to be an ambassador for people who don't agree with you. Just mind your own business and voice your own thoughts. Don't be oversmart.
I have quoted from Holy Quran. It has not been denied. Every one is trying to explain the context in which it was said. My point is simply this; the terrorist who are caught in my country quote the same verses to justify their actions. It simply means that they have not understood the true essence of Islam. It is upon the Muslim community, intellectuals and devotees like Fariha and opinion makers like Hassan to clear their misinformation.
I have quoted history as was taught to us. With more knowledge available, some one will re-write or revise it.
Some one feels I am out for Islam bashing. I strongly deny it. The allegation is motivated. I use my right of reply. The opinion expressed is purely mine to generate a debate. If some one feels that I am trying to spread hatred between communities, I may say that the person is mistaken.
In Certain Masjids belonging to Barelvi school of thought, notices were publicly issued barring the entry of Deobandi and Muslims other than Barelvi for prayers. The matter was widely reported in local as well as national newspapers.
It raises a deeper question about the faith. Are all Muslims really equals? If so, why do they bar entry of each other in their houses of prayer?
It shows that sections within Muslim faith have rejected the radical version of Islam as anti Islamic. Radical Islam is Satan's own religion that is giving Allah's Islam (preached through his prophet) a tough time.
Who would believe liars like you.Any one can see this is a clip of a whore house with a madam,her dancing girl -and customers,and not a family.
Your credibality as a sensible reporter is impaired.so please desist from making such flawed posts.
Dear u dont have to apologize on anyone’s behalf. Those who are brimming with hatred have every excuse for it. We are all responsible for our own deeds. I am happy there are still some people who got to understand wat my intention here so far has been but they are very few and i think my articles have not done much good to bring understanding between ple. I think it was my folly to show light to those who are blind.
Thanks for your kindness Asmita; the world is still surviving as we have some good humans like u :)
Where oh where did I say that I paint the butchers as paragons of virtue, huh??
I saw that you wrote an article about Philippine history that is tilted.
Find below after this my comment to what you wrote.
FYI, Hassan, if you hate America, so do I. So, we have nothing to argue there, bro! You cannot expect me to come into the defense of USA.
I have written many articles somewhere else against stupid Islamphobia.
Over reacting already!Who asked you to defend Spanish and American actions in Philipines? You couldn’t do so even if you wanted to!
And I so understand your feelings when you say you want to puke over them.But to say you want to vomit isn’t enough-it is just semantics.Get a lesson from your countrymen and racial kin -though not the religious ones - The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.
The Holy Quran teaches the Muslims the meaning of Jehad,defining it very clearly.It is a fight against injustice or falsehood in what ever manner you can, it is thus always defensive in it’s basic concept-never offensive.Various forms are:
1.Physical War or Resistance.Waged with all means at one’s disposal to utterly destroy the fighting manpower of the oppressor;but maximum protection to his old people,incapicated,women and children.
2.If you cannot do that then adopt written or verbal opposition in all it’s forms.
3.If you cannot even do that then remain silent but always remain
mentally opposed to the injustice thus keeping the issue alive.A day may come when you will be able to triumph.
Can you see the beauty of the teaching.There is so concept of vomiting here;no despair;no hopelessness
ever - only a strategy for the champions of justice to eventually triump.No hypocrate and oppressor no matter how powerful could ever adopt successfully or even hope to counter such a perception.
That is why the poor ill equipped Moros have been able to wage their war for 500 years and survive with their belief and culture intact -while even powers like the Spanish and Americans have left
Oh yes,we have every thing to argue about!Why do you hate the Americans?I don’t.There are millions of Americans who now know and decry the injust actions of their government and church institutions even more forcefully then I do.Why should I hate them?
I only hate injustice and the governments and people of any race,color or religion who perpetuate it in any of it’s form anywhere -and that includes so called Muslims.But the Moros are not in any way one such people.
Finally if the article I wrote about Philipines is tilted,and you have read it.....I consider it so unethical of you to comment that it is tilted in this place where readers havn’t even read it;rather then joining the discussion at the proper forum where perhaps all who read my article could be alerted to the misinformation I am allegdely trying to feed them.
But, yes, I vomit.
The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years? Wow!
Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?
The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.
Do the Math.
Take a shower.
Look up PERSECUTION COMPLEX.
It’s your choice as to what to do first of these three.
My comment to your totally propagandized article entitled: ”Islamic Heritage of the Philippines”
If your intention is to imply that we Filipinos hate our Islamic heritage (your title is very correct, kudos!), then you are gravely mistaken. The Philippines is a melting pot of colonizing cultures, and we are proud of our Islamic, Hindu, and Chinese heritages. It’s our Spanish and American pasts that we want to vomit.
In your rush to post a pro-Muslim propaganda, you missed the salient points which prove the fact that we are proud of our Islamic heritage.
Where are the Codes? Where is our ancient form of writing? How did the word “barangay’ travel a long way so much so that we, today, use the word to mean official geographical community? Where is the story of the Datus that all Filipinos learn in school as early as first grade? Do you know that many of our streets, towns, etc are named after our Muslim forefathers?
I can go on and on and on to mention what you have failed to say as our Islamic heritage.
This is total tragedy. Even the Muslims of the Philippines will rebuke you for doing this disservice.
It is precisely materials such as this that reek of ignorance that create rifts, instead of bridging gaps.
This post does not help the peace process in the Philippines right now. We are a peaceful people that want to accommodate one another because we are ALL Filipinos, Muslims and Christians alike (plus all other religious persuasions) – at the end of the day.
For your information, Filipinos love one another (Muslims and Christians alike). The Philippines is known proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue. It’s RADICAL ISLAMISTS that we will not put up with (Muslims and Christians alike).
We don’t need people like you to further widen rifts. We are okay as we are. You have no right to imply that we do not love our Islamic heritage. You, a Muslim who is supposed to be an advocate of peace, are doing precisely the opposite.
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
PS
Your cut-and-paste production of various rip-offs over here could use various revisions and corrections. I will not do the work for you. Go back to the drawing board. You should have consulted materials from the Sultanate of Sulu Research Center with which, if you did, you would have spoken to me.
You reply to my article at this place ,rather then at the proper place which is in the comments to the article itself indicates that you have lost your wits.Don’t you want to correct my alleged misinformations at the place where they occur so that anyone who reads them is at once alerted to my fraud...or would you rather let them stand unchallenged!!!
So I will not reply to this unashamedly false and evasively misleading comment here.It has no relationship to what I wrote as anyone who reads my article will be able to judge.However after two days when I post my next article on Philipines I will copy paste this reply of yours at it’s proper ploace along with my comments on what I think of it..
Over here I will only reply to one of your comments which is of a general nature,for it proves you obviously don’t practice what you preach:
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
If you believed in that then you are neither a Muslim,nor a Hindu nor even a Pakistani or an Indian..... so why then do you write so many such articles.Shouldn’t you confine yourself to just Philipine issues.
Why are you defending the terrorists and justifying what they do?
PS
If you read my articles, they were related to the Philippines. They are confined to the Philippine setting, and are related to the resurgence of radical Islamist violence in southern Philippines over the past week.
PPS
I already told you earlier. If you cannot substantiate what you mean when you said I don’t even know the history of my country, then I cannot take you seriously.
So, my suggestion was for you to go back to the drawing board and reread whatever materials you ripped off for your write-up.
Instead of a straight forward reply to my queries you are again off with your strange twisted arguements and evasive and diversionarty tactics.These can’t get you off the hook madam!
Now you think accusing me of being an ISLAMIC RADICAL will scare me.Well I am not the innocent ,simple and pure hearted Fariha whom double tongued people like you have almost driven off this blog.If standing up for justice means ISLAMIC RADICALism then indeed I am one.
The Moros are not terrorists.They have been oppressed for over or almost 500 years (whats a few years in such a long war,they can continue for another 500 years if need be)They have a right to defend their lands,their culture,their beliefs and values....no amount of your lies can change that.I stand for justice everywhere...
That is why I cannot take you seriously because ALREADY you are VERY BIASED with what you write. You read somewhere that Moros have been oppressed and killed for centuries, you make it as the ONLY FACT AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE.
So, I don’t know if you are making your own propaganda or believing the propaganda that you make.
The Philippines isn’t condoning or tolerating the injustices done to Moros by the Spaniards and the Americans. It’s all over our history books, for crying out loud!
And DO NOT EQUATE Moros with Radical Islamists. Oh man oh man, the Moros will hate you for that!
No I just opposed state terrorism.But you wouldn’t understand my reply as you havn’t researched the moro issue.You will havt to wait till I have compleated my third one.but the first one I have posted about Muslims and the Spanish gives just a very brief and concise historical background to the problem.
I suggest you read it,and offer your comments there if you truly want a constructive dialogue on the issue.
@Hasan you need to chill. Like-minded people would soon start tracking you :P
You need no advertising on this forum. :P
I’m so outta here :P
This is precisely what you are over reacting about.The article only gives a cocise history of Philipines the Muslims and Spanish period and hilights certain facts.instead of dealing with those there ,you are already worried about what is to come next.
I shall certainly bring those issues up at the proper time in my third article.Let every one to get to know the basic issues first.NO?
As for the killing or depravation of Moro rights of Moros for centuries ,it has come up in these comments.I havn’t got to that stage in my articles yet.No? So am I right in assuming you deny such killing and deprivation of rights? If that be the case might it not be the civilised behaviour that you hold your opinion on this issue and I mine till we get to the article in which I discuss the current state of the problem?
I owe my Muslim brothers and sisters in the Philippines the duty to write about the atrocities of radical Islamists (who even Muslims themselves abhor).
You should have taken to heart the caveat that I wrote at the top of the article which goes:
”I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.”
I am disheartened that you are even one of those who equate Islam with radical Islamism. I was intending this caveat for non-Muslims, really.
My two posts wich you have singled out as an attack on Islam are really about radical Islamists.
Anyway, there are the readers who could judge the articles.
Fariha, this is a heartfelt message to you from a sister who found you here in Instablogs.
I am an adopted daughter of one of the Muslim Sultanates in Mindanao. I am not a criticizer of Islam. But I will not stop to tell the story of how radical Islamists have been oppressing their fellow Muslims in Mindanao. It’s my oppression, too!
I have nothing against u wrting abt wat is happening there. May b we are misunderstanding each other. I was only condenming those who hit on Islam rather than terrorism itself in such like articles. I totally understand ur intention here girl and have no offences beleive me. I also know that all Muslims are not saints... the only point of my concern is that some ple just take liberty to write watever crap comes to their mind and vomit such articles with them, which change the entire course of the writing! I have not found your posts attacking Islam at all; i only elaborted them telling wat is hapening alaround us because those who are actually enemies of Islam and not Islamophibia find it a great platform to carry out their hateful activities.
So pls dont misunderstand me girl. I honestly dont beleive that u were hiting ’Islam’ in any way... in fact you have explained in a very logical way the true Islam and the spolied version. I am sorry if any of my comments gave u such like impression... but if u wud go through some comments on both the posts, u wud know why i said wat i did. Hope u will understand.
But now I understand what you mean and I believe you.
It’s a process that we’re going through, girl. Don’t you see how we complement each other here? While you write about what Islam is about and should be, I write about enterprising people who twist the religion for their ulterior motives.
It’s my intention to show that it’s the misinterpretation of some Muslims that is bringing on the sad state. And I make sure that, with what I write, I make clear that it’s about people, not about Islam nor the Qur’an.
I really wanna separate radical Islamists from the Islam faith because as one of the comments had said: these are not Muslims.
But it will be a long and painful process for us. We have to have nerves of steel to accept comments that are painful.
Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed! Hehe...
I admire Hassan’s attempt. But if he is not factually faithful and will not present balanced views, his implications will only widen rifts - and that won’t help.
So, you listen to me now girlilash, okay! I DO NOT WANT YOU TO LEAVE INSTABLOGS because you are an aspect to balance views. Do you see what I mean?
And what history is and wat not, all i know is that everyone shud let the other live in peace. However,say if they are really oppressed, then u and i cant condenm them. But again, i cant judge, its God’s thing.
As far as leaving Insta is concerned, i wish i cud stay or may b i return after sometime, but at the moment i feel its a mess and it has rather become a batle field than opinion sharing. My focus of reformation is myself as i am more inclined to Sufi side of Islam... so i think jihad within myself is superior than jihad with the pen... at least for the moment. Take care :)
He also wants to send the message that Moros are in ”uprising” now to defend their faith and the right to practice the faith.
It might disappoint him to know that the Philippines is PAINFULLY a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. We welcome ALL FAITHS because we are a democracy. The Philippines is also a known staunch proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue.
The Muslims in the Philippines do not have a problem with exercising their faith. Ramadan is even proclaimed a national non-working holiday!
The ones that are having trouble are the radical Islamists because they have a political agenda. They want to politically rule and own a part of the Philippines.
The Philippine government has really been stupid all this time to deal with terrorists and was actually willing to give radical Islamists what they want. And this is because the Philippines is painfully a democracy that has to gve each and everyone due process and due rights.
But some Filipinos have come to counter the terrorists’ demands because these terrorists have shown that they cannot rule the Moro Land by way of firepower. That’ll be death and more oppression for the Filipino Muslims!
If you ask me, I cannot even comprehend why this country is actually negotiating with terrorists!
we can go mad but cant find a solution to this may be :-s
In the Philippines, I think 65,000 families have been effected over the past week alone because of this dispute.
I believe in God and I’ve been praying a lot!
Your reply to Fariha proves what I have been saying all along and you denying. Oh Girl!!Are you jumpy and over reacting!!!...or is it an attempt at pre-emting the facts that you know will be revealed:”Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed!”” Hehe...
How do you know it will probably show Muslims in the Philipines have been oppressed?Hehe Indeed !!
Rest and chill. Would you like a cup of coffee? Hey that isn’t sarcastic, huh. I really have some freshly made coffee and wish you were here so we can discuss our differences over cups of coffee, and then you’ll slowly realize that I’m not an enemy.
Done with the write-ups yet? Please give us links. I mean really that’ll save us time to recheck your facts and sources.
It’s really quite easy to link. This non-techie got the hang of it after a few tries.
Rest now, Hassan. Ok, I promise to give thoughtful comments. Does that make you feel better? I hope...
Nothing to be worried about.I’m tolerant and peaceful, hehe...
PEACE
You need links to your own history!!Guess I was right about you being lost. Other wise by now i would have been told precisely where i was wrong in my research article.But as you said you prefer not to take my writing seriously.That’s one way of avoiding the issue.OK by me ,my next article will be day after tomorrow.
Thanks for the offer of coffee.Mentally I have already consumed,and enjoyed it.
You are either naive and an idealist -or else a hypocrate.I hope it is the former.
This I say in reference to your comment:We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
Nothing ,not even wars can to taken in isolation from their historical context.Who gave the Spainards ,the Americans and the Philipnos the right to kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims men,women and children (or Moros as they call them -derived from Moors) over the past 1000 years;and take their lands;try and impose their beliefs and laws on them?
And then to raise a hue and cry as they continue fighting agaist this injustice in what ever manner they can?
They are a brave people and not terrorists.Any one who can fight for their rights for such a long time deserve to be saluted and not bad mouthed.
Did you encounter the term ”juramentado” in your research?
I will not deny that many Moros were killed in history, in the Philippines. I don’t commend the killings done by colonizing forces.
I hate mudslinging. It’s so petty and childish, but for the sake of balanced journalism, maybe you should also state how many people the Moros killed. For the sake of balanced reporting, you know.
And for that, you can start by explaining the ”juramentados.” This is a Spanish word that loosely translates to ”amok.”
I agree with u girl. I may be mad as well but all i wish and pray is that we can find a solution to all this hatred. I feel it stems from within a person and then it gets out side and destroys the whole world. So purifying own owwn selves can probably self the world at large. I am sorry if any of my comments in the couple of posts hurt u in any way; some ple really drove me crazy... but that wasnt u. So no offenses :)))
Innocence doesn’t mean ignorance or naivete.
Madhuri you are neither naive nor a hypocrate ...you are an optimist ..so bless you girl....and yet I must say ,never shirk from speaking against injustice anywhere by anyone.Should enough people be able to do so,this earth would become paradise itself.
And Grace thanks for telling me what ”juramentado” means.If what has been happening to the Moros for the past 500 years till to date had been happening to me and my family or lands i would be perfectly justified in running ’amok’!
The scary thing about Hassan is that he is raising a voice for justice.Why must you remain a devil’s advocate grace?
”When Muslims in France aren’t yet demanding for a separate nation, why must they, in Philippines, in India, in Russia, in Thailand...!!”
Isn’t that a question you should ask of the people who are making these demands?
India’s population is 17% Muslims today. In my childhood the only riots I knew were amongst Shia - Sunni over Tazia procession. Terrorism was not associated with Muslims. Terrorist word was heard in India with the advent of naxal movement which was more due to failure of land reforms. The next terrorist activity was heard from Punjab and suddenly Sikhs were the terrorists. The problem was economical. A voice started from the Kashmir valley and suddenly there were foreign terrorists. It is more about geographical imbalances. Mumbai blasts and other such disruptive activities were attributed to terrorist activities. Initially Government blamed Pakistan for its failure to provide safety to Indian citizens but then government’s own agencies compiled a list which has been extracted by Hassan somewhere.
I can not visualise my country without my Muslim brethren.
What do I do about the terrorist?
The Moro Land in the Philippines was relatively peaceful in their demand for their ancestral domains. It got screwed up when terrorists came in, wanting to own it for terroristic training grounds. Mindanao has been used to further the activities of al-Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah.
I am trying to go to to the root of the problem. I am being branded a Islam basher and hate-spreader. A lady has threatened to leave instablogs. Not that she disputes a single sentence of what I write but because it does not suit her Sufi taste. It is quite possible that some one will issue a fatwa to eliminate me. Who knows?
I shall include you as a friend today!!!
We have many people like you enjoying both sides of a convesation... till it is time to torpedo peace and justice.
Yet you will also passionately advocate it’s cause without really understanding the sacrifice it entails.may I remind you of that famous saying ”patroitism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”...and to this I add ” all misery flows out of the mouth of a priest.” (= Mullah,Rabbi etc ,etc).
Rembember peace is not about winning a political or religious arguement..it never was...it is about upholding the principles of justice and equal rights for everybody
Regards
I have nothing to win from you or fariha or others. I have nothing to gain by exposing the double talk carried out in the name of religionwho practice hatred.
I write in pain and in anger on being hurt. As happens in small brawls, I find peace lovers jumping in to say sorry on behalf of seemingly aggressive parties to end the argument. The argument does not end. Silencing a critic does not silence his thoughts. Fariha is resorting to emotional blackmail. She is not likely to go away so soon, is my reading, as predicted earlier by Jai. She may take some time off; thats the maximum. Her craving as a Sufi will bring her back to spread message of the Lord. She will overcome the anguish.
Thanks for including me as friend. I will try to be worthy of your friendship.
Incidently, I am a friend of fariha too. You may check that by going to either mine or her blog.
I wish it were as easy to make friends in real life,as this insta blog seems to suggest.Unfortunately it is not.Much as I would like to have you as a friend, I find the different frequencies at which our two minds work means that for the time being we can only continue with our attempt at better communications.
By the way i am a poet too ;and even though this blog has no place for literary persuits,I shall try to post one of my poems somewhere today...and see how it goes.I think poetry is one of the more civilised methods of communicating feelings and emotions.
It was your wish to include me as your friend. Again, it is your wish not to. I have no problem either way.
I agree that I have different opinion, differing opinion which is not prejudiced on caste, colour, creed, sex, race, region, religion, etc. Some people think that friends should not criticise. I feel that in that case, the friend is not true. Knowing the weakness and still liking is the best and lasting relationship amongst friends.
Man made religion
It is man’s fault that we are divide into various religions.
My spiritual guru preaches that all saints that came to the world at various times preached only one thing...finding god within oneself
it is man that misconstrued the preaching to suit his daily routine and represent HIS ideas not GOD’s
God doesn’t say kill one another
NO GOD SAYS THAT!!!
The sooner we all realize this the faster peace will enter our lives again
God is one
We should really try to find him within and not in some scripts, texts, temples, church, gurudwara or mosque
I havn’t even written any article yet at what the Philipines is doing to the Moros!This first one was only about The Muslim heritage and how the peaceful Indian traders (from Tamil Nadu) established Islam in the religion and how the Spanish tried to establish catholicism..but failed to uproot Islam.
And I clearly told you how the Philipines dealt with the moros will be the third one.Girl are you worried already?
”The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.”
Oh well, I’ll let you be. Go and write those articles now that you threaten will worry me. Replying to you is an exercise in futility as is already obvious by now to many people here that you are a FANATICAL.
Just come up with factual details so I can take you seriously. If you can’t come up with factual and balanced details about my country, I suggest you keep to yours. If I remember it right, your Pakistan-India article was also lambasted for being lopsided and tilted.
Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
I stressed and underscored the political agenda of radical Islamists, wanting to present the political aspect of it all. Unfortunately, some see it in the light of religion.
I mentioned Islamist state, totalitarian movement, law, etc. because that’s precisely what I want to drive at. What I want to say is that radical Islamists are not necessarily about Islam because they are more for political ideology and pursuing a political agenda.
Why can’t people divorce the two so the world’s laws can deal with radical Islamists/terrorists as breakers of laws?
I mean i dont understand how can u even say that God is the cause of evil !?! And then u guys have all the right here, hey we are free to say whatever we fel like, freedom of expression!” I mean there has to be a limit to freedom of expression. Do we go about abusing our mother coz we are have freedom of expression? May be before accusing God we should accuse our moms and dads as they brought us into the evil world!
Pls, i request to u have SOME LIMIT and SENSE when u express your inner most feelings. God wont become evil by your crazy statment but u can hurt many people who happen to love him; you need to have some regard for the Beloved of some... if u can.... MAN, i should bang my head in the wall!!!
Are you going to set the limits of our freedom of expression? It would be interesting to see that.
If only they could not wage it all in the name of a non-existent Allah, all would have been well. There would have been fights but causes and results would have been clearer and perhaps easier to deal with.
Seems like you are a true devout, unable to hear anyone criticize him (yes a small ’h’). If that’s so I apologize purely for making you think about banging your head against the wall, and not against expressing what I sincerely believe to be true (and I thank some for seconding it).
What I am saying that religion and god are two of the most successful weapons for someone who cannot justify his aim by any other means. I rest my case. And this isn’t the place to discuss it anyway.
Sorry Grace.
No dear how can i set limits of defining freedom of expression, but i thought i was in the middle of some civilized and educated ple who cud extend mutual respect to other’s beliefs and feelings. I was a fool darling as i was sure since a long time.
How can i expect any limit where ple are actually proud of having no god. ofcourse i dont belong here darling and my decision was surely true. I belong to the One who does not exist for you. He has given u nothing, but He has given everything to me. So i prefer to be His servant than to be your friend here. The one who cannot be grateful to His Creator and deny Him, what good can be be to His creation? Thats a matter of shame for me and matter of pride for u.
To be your way and to me be mine an let HIm decide... oh sory, but he doesnt even exist. Cheers.
This can hurt many. There should be mass exodus from this forum...
Also if disagreeing means not showing mutual respect, then there will never be any place for arguments or debate under the sun.
May be i am coward thats why i am ruunig away. I am scared of u and many godless ple as Allah has taught me that the one who does not fear Him, does not fear anything and can go to any extent of evil.
So darling, we dont belong together... Namasty India ;)
See girl, we actually do belong to two different worlds. And i think this gap cannot be bridged. And arguments lead nowhere as u wud know. I am sorry if any of my coments here have hurt anyone.., may be i am also adhereing to freedom of expression...LOL
i will destroy my own values if i stay here coz i can never make ple understand my point and may b i can never undertsnad their’s.... there are 2 differnt worlds altogether taht we are in. See, its better for me to go yar, not to disapoint or hurt anyone. Take care.
Allah Hafiz
Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun. ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
Sure Jai, u are ur own god, but in that case u should never die. Will u ? can u? LOL
Gandhiji said ”Allah Ishwar tero naam” meaning Allah and Ishwar is thy name which puts Allah and Ishwar at par.
Someone please be kind enough to delete two of the replications.
I already said that I’ll just read what you come up with. But then again if it isn’t balanced and just tilted to show that Moros were oppressed for their faith, then I have to tell you as early as now that sorry I cannot take you seriously and will admonish your attempt to spread wrong information.
And I will leave you with this FACT:
Moros aren’t opppressed in the Philippines right this very minute, by Filipinos. It’s radical Islamists that are oppressing their fellow Muslims. Take that as fact or ignore it, that’s up to you.
I choose to ignore it,till I take the issue upin my third article.
So, if you cannot point out what you don’t agree with in this post entitled ”Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad,” then I take it that you agree with everything I wrote.
I hope you don’t hate my butting in too much :P
Ok now that the air seems to be thinning a bit. let’s all heave a sigh of relief! Sigh...
Now, let’s have a group hug! (((HUGS)))
LOL I love you all!!!
Let’s stop this fighting. It’s a complete waste of comment boxes that just spill of vitriol.
I assure you that I’m not attacking Islam. Readers here will attest to that.
So, bro, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Taking a cue from you,I will give my reply to this elsewhere!!!And No...I don’t agree with anything you say in it.
Have peace and tolerance, Hassan, you’re a Muslim!
I am not but I will give and leave you peace and tolerance.
PEACE, BROTHER!
And you won’t be leaving soon.. you will be around even after I’m gone, and you may still be around when I’m dead and burnt and comment here saying ’A godless devil’s ashes were thrown in to the sea today, Long Live Him’
Tee hee hee!
You said:
”The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years.”
Wow!
Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?
The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.
Do the Math.
See, it was just one question and you cannot even answer it, and just chose to evade answering it. And you’re threatening a discussion of the history of my country after accusing me of not knowing my history??
DUH...
LOL! just kidding.....
All the best to all the varied views...
relax take a chill pill
These are varied views alright, but I just wish it’s been indeed a healthy discussion for all.
I’m invigorated enough to just sit it out at Starbucks, with a tall glass of iced latte!
initially the deiscussion appeared to be leading towards a free for all boxing bout. The saner comments of the moderator has brought the real problem in focus and the subject on the burner.
Who is the moderator?
But in Islam it seems their relegion teaches..KILL,KILL ,KILL everyone who dont beleive in Islam.They forgets even about their earlier history and relegions.They dont gives respect to their past history and culture.
I respect your comments and I’m glad that a post like this gave you an opportunity to voice out what you want to say.
YESTERDAY I SAW THREE GIRLS,GOING ON THEIR FOOT FOR LONG JOURNEY TO ’SALEEM CHISHTEY DARGAH’,AJMER.THEY CARRIED TWO FLAGS IN THEIR HAND.ONE FOR ’RAMDEOBABA’ AND ANOTHER FOR DARGAH.
YES THERE IS ’HOPE’ FOR INDIA.
Peoples like you who have knowledge of other relegions too,must come forward,without fear to bring about a change.
Hopefully, writing about it will help me, in my own little way and in my corner of the world, to do something to eradicate Islamophobia, or at least lessen it.
Who started this Arab-Israeli conflict? The root cause of radical Islam gaining popularity is the plantation of the Zionist seed in the heart of Muslim Arab land by the West. From then the brutality the Jews carried out against unarmed Arabs to take some kind of historical revenge is the cause of terrorism.
The one to start this must stop this. Israel must return all occupied Arab land including Palestine and whatever they captured in the 6-Day war. All displaced Palestinians must be given the right to return which is guaranteed by the International Human Rights Charter. Then they must stop the killings. Rob the terrorists of their cause and have peace. Israel in the last 60 years have shown nothing but complete indifference to international opinion and treated Arabs with contempt. Most Israelis are not ethnic Arab Jews. They are foreigners and/or of alien origin who do not know anything about the indigenous culture and tradition but driven by hatred to kill Muslim locals.
Islam is Islam for what it is - a religion. Radical Islamism is political in nature. Putting the two together, as some have tried to identify one with the other, is hurting the religion.
Don’t you see the reasoning of the people who term your figt as islamic radicalism? According to them you will actually be loving your children more,when you stop killing or fighting againstyour childrens killers!!
Boy they have applied this kind of mentality to the Moros for almost 500 years,you people are comparative new comers to their defination of love.
Of course you are correct.Islam indeed any other religion or even ideology justifies fighting in any way against those who oppress you.Only some people here wount support that principle,because as they say,”birds of a feather flock togather”. the Moros have been facing this type of treatment for 500 years ;and are still at it.I don’t blame them-nor do i blame your people.
But you know in the Philippines, their fellow Muslims are not really condoning the acts of these terrorists. Not all of Bangsamoro (that’s Muslim land in southern Philippines) approve of the way radical Islamists employ to get their desired end.
In fact, the radical Islamist Moro Islamic Liberation Front was a splinter separatist group of the earlier Moro National Liberation Front (which is the governing political party of Bangsamoro - or more officially called the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao or ARMM).
So in the Philippines, a huge majority of Muslims definitely repel the Muslim terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam
It’s very clear that radical Islamists are cause of worry for the whole world .There is urgent need of right interpretation of Quranic verses to bring peace and order in world .It’s another thing that it’s very difficult for the Muslims to rise above the hard-core interpretations of Islamic perceptions . But I wonder why the feeling of alienation is felt so strongly by the Muslim community while being placed amidst other societies? Who has given them the right to butcher people in the name of creating Islamic state across the globe?
One cannot ignore the fact the dangerous interpretation of the Islamic perceptions have given rise to all sorts of problem .Probably, this is why it’s difficult for average Muslim to remain faithful to a particular country even if they have been living there from thousands of years .Only because greater faith in the rules framed by the Allah are superior than the land of law. No wonder why the killings are always in the name of Allah!!
It’s indeed a hard nut to crack for people outside the realm of Islamic perceptions to think of bringing substantial change in the Muslim mindset. The word of kafirs wouldn’t impress the Muslim society. So the only option left is that Muslim Ulemmas come out with better and honest interpretations .Otherwise , it’s very clear that we are moving towards a sharp and ominous polarization of the world community .It remains to be seen whether virtuous souls within Muslim community are able to marginalize the radical Islamists .
I feel that it’s greatly unfair for the religion to be always associated with the evil doings of these renegades.
You have done a great job . By calling a spade a spade , you have given a fitting reply to the radical Islamists .
Yes, religion should not be blamed for the misdeeds of small section of deluded souls . However , one cannot ignore the fact that Islam has been held hostage to wrong interpretations of Quranic teachings .PBUH might have uttered these perceptions with right intentions but they have turned into convenient medium to harass the non-believers.Who has given radical Islamists the right to kill people in the name of Allah ? Why Islamic state of affairs is the only way of bringing light in the world ? Against this backdrop , it’s really very hard to believe that Islam arrived in the world to establish the kingdom of peace on the earth !!
You’re right. Some have twisted the scriptures to serve their political end, while some others have been blindly led to misinterpret further because they have been brainwashed by these enterprising ones.
But I have met some who belong to the religion and are living an example of peace.
We see the extreme, but we also find the true proponents of peace who live in peace. I’ve met a lot of the latter.
While they cannot so much as help remedy the situation, they just quietly live the best of the scriptures.
People are varied, religion or none.
It’s politics that is hopeless, don’t you think so? :)
Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .
Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,
Dear Grace B ,
Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .
Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,the mastermind behind the Gujarat’s bomb blasts , is being defended by none other than the Shahi Imam of Delhi’s Jama Masjid, Maulana Ahmed Bukhari .You will find many Muslim intellectuals shedding tears for banned organization like SIMI-an organization found involved in many anti-national activities . According to a latest news report , the educated Muslim youths have joined in large number the cadres of SIMI .If that’s the case , it’s nothing short of foolhardiness to think of better days !!
You seem to be certain that the situation with Muslims will not change. I can understand if your immediate basis is Indian Muslims. I really am not in the know with that sector.
But I have personally witnessed the attempts of Muslims to change and evolve, and integrate themselves into the mainstream of society outside the Muslim world. I have met progressive Muslims who practice the good in their scriptures in the communities where they belong. I’ve been with events connected with Inter-Faith Dialogue where Muslims are open to suggestions, thereby showing that they do not have an insular mind. I have met Muslims who condemn the doings of radical Islamists, even if these lawless elements are fellow Muslims.
Not all Muslims are fundamentalists. While they respect their scriptures, most are also willing to embrace the thoughts of others.
These are enough basis for me to say that there is hope, if only we see that it’s hopeful.
Aren’t some of us being ”fundamentalist,” too, with our opinion of them, thereby making sweeping generalizations?
That is why I am very particular with separating Islam from radical Islamism. Because, often, our opinion of Muslims really revolves around the radical Islamists.
THe International Criminal Court at The Hague is about to issue an arrest warrant for Omar al-Bashir, President of Sudan, for 3 counts of genocide and other counts (for a total of 10 counts) for war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, murder, pillaging, etc. in Darfur.
al-Bashir runs a radical Islamist state in Sudan, and this indictment of his at the ICC proves that radical Islamists are not above the law, and that the doctrine of universal jurisdiction can put an end to his dictatorial and tyrannical career.
Yes, there is hope that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc.
I am an eternal optimist .Plus I have no personal grudges against Muslim community be they in India or America . However,it’s very difficult to ignore the implications of dangerous activities of Muslim minds across the globe .Unless they are ready to believe that other religions are too on par with Quranic percepts ,it’s really very difficult to hope against hope.There are many Sumeras who believe that ” the final message as the muslims believe is the Quran in which no alteration is allowed or even expected ”( http://subil.instablogs.com/entry/appreciating-religious-differences/ ) .
Anyway ,let’s hope ”that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc ” !!!!
No, it’s rather tough to think that all radical Islamists will be eradicated. But at least, they don’t get into genocidal careers.
Even I was appalled with that post you linked. I commented on that and got a reply that said ”there’s no such thing as radical Islamism” or something to that effect.
I was shocked to learn that there are still some people who haven’t heard of radical Islamism!
Many thanks for accepting my viewpoint . We are on the same boat as far as radical Islamist is concerned .Though it’s very difficult to eliminate crooked interpretations of Islamic ideas , let’s hope the by-product of these flawed Islamic beliefs get marginalized in the days to come .
Religious fundamentalism (of any religion) is only for nitwits.
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Surah 3.
28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
152. Allah did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,-until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you but He forgave you: For Allah is full of grace to those who believe.
Surah 8.
12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ”I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah 9.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believer.
23. O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
Surah 25
52. Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).
Surah 29
49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.
Surah 32
22. And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns away therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) Retribution.
Surah 47
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Surah 48.
20. Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall acquire, and He has given you these beforehand; and He has restrained the hands of men from you; that it may be a Sign for the Believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path;
28. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.
Surah 49
15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.
Surah 61
4. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.
Surah 66
9. O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).
Surah 90
19. But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand.
20. On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).
I’m starting to think that Muslims who see through their scriptures may just be the hope for a much-needed change in these violent times.
Good luck with your anti-Islam campaign.
Your logic is twisted because you are looking with blinkered and jaundiced eyes of Islam.
Your forefathers must have been Hindus. Ask your elders how they embraced Islam? By beating or by getting convinced that Islam is the only religion for salvation. Your city is not La-whore. It is the city named on Princle Lav, the son of King Ram of Ayodhya.
If it is too much to ask, Oliver Twist once asked, can I have some more please? Today I ask, Can we all have some peace, please?
Hope is the most oppressive situation.
But hope is the only thing we have! We cling on to hope for hope.
Thank you for hoping that the Philippines and the rest of the troubled world will survive darkness.
If people stay within their chosen religions, then maybe we can have hope. Hope is killed when man starts to have an ulterior motive that is most likely fashioned out of a political mold.
I meant to say that we can’t have peace. You are asking for way too much.
But that’s all they have, for the longest time.
I think hope has nothing to do with objective reality.
I NEED PEACE AND SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD.
If there is such a thing as ’crimes against humanity,’ is there an equivalent to this in Islam?
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Its a shame that even in the new millennium we still have people who are more content on raking up age old issues just to prove their own superiority over others.
I believe that in the modern world, terrorism has very little to do with religion itself and more to do with the fact that people still aren’t being given equal opportunities.
The London-based terrorists or the Al-Quaida or even the Indian Mujahideen who claim to be blowing up citizens because their people were wronged sometime in the past really need to own up to the fact that they haven’t done any service to their people by their acts.
Osama blew up WTC and in return thousands of innocent muslims got massacred in Afghanistan and millions more face discrimination around the world because of that one day.
There are bombs going up every day in Iraq and Pakistan and even Kashmir thanks to the millions of dollar that these outfits receive in funds. I just want to know why cant these funds be used to provide better education, medical care and safe food and clean drinking water to the poorer sects??
Hindu agitators massacred innocent Muslims in Gujarat riots and vice versa. The leaders of the riots never got hurt, the ordinary people did which only goes on to show that terrorism never really proves anything or does anything for the common man!!!
I am leaving FINALLY coz i feel its no good how much we talk on this.... we may write pages or books but ple, things, hatred, evil wont change. A comment somewhere up here just proved it. So i feel we should concentrate on our own beings and purify our inner souls (BTW thats called jihad -e- akbar, the greatest form of jihad). That inner transformation may help this outer world become a better place... our words are useless. At least i will try to become a better person by strifing within myself and killing the evils within myself Inshallah.
May Allah protect, guide, forgive and show the right path to us all. Ameen
Allah Hafiz and Take care.
But, hey, if you give me a SCUD missile right now, I’ll blow up those radical Islamists without batting an eyelash! Hehe...
Don’t feel bad, girl. Don’t carry the Islam world on your shoulders. Hehe...
You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’.I will be posting an article about Phillipines in a day or two-be sure to read and comment on it;I will appreciate beeing corrected if I am wrong.As for Ramesh he obviously keeps permanent copies of pre-typed comments ,which he copy pastes all over with slight ammendments.Here is a reply I gave somewhere else to his exact same comment above on quotes from the Holy Quran:
Ramesh Balam’
Read what you have quoted yourself ,again and again if need be.Then relate them to the fact that all verses about fighting the pagans and unbelievers in The Holy Book are about fighting those who:
1.Harassed and tortured the Muslims when they were helpless few in Mecca.
2.Forced them to migrate to Medina.
3.Even there they did not leave the Muslims in peace and attacked them with a large army,and continued conspiring with some Jews to completely wipe them out-till they were defeated by The Muslims when they conquered Mecca.On this occassion the Holy prophet following the above quoted advise not only defeated teh Qureish of Mecca; but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
Perhaps if you have an open mind you will find each advise is not only perfectly correct for the situation in which the Muslims found themselves ,but also most humane and correct for any age in which the Muslims face a similar condition.
... but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
his "tormentors"? this is rubbish. muhammad was a political and military leader. this is propaganda. and then who is muhammad to "forgive" some one for following a different faith?
Yes Grace, Islam very much addresses wat and how to punish ple and particularly Muslims if they are wrong. Allah does not give Muslims any favor for being Muslims, He is just and all are His ple. Muslims can be favourites ’if’ they folow the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who is ”mercy for all the worlds”. The punishment for killing any person unduly is nothing less than death. Anyone who kills any person unduly should be punished to death. So they too deserve the same if they are killing innocent ple.
Here is my last post at insta. http://fariha.instablogs.com/entry/a-message-for-the-muslims-and-non-muslims/
This message must reach to all Muslims in particular and to all mankind in gerneral. Grace, may be you should get it printed and distribute it to Muslims or something like that which would practically help the situation. Dont worry abt me, Islam aint a burden for me, but i feel our talking here can do no practical good in this situation. So why waste words... TC
If you cannot substantiate what you mean by: ”Grace, You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’,” then I will simply think that you were not thinking when you wrote this comment.
Didn’t you see the post up there? Did you even read it? Or did you just blabber a knee-jerk reaction? I suggest you read the post. You might learn a thing or two about radical Islamism from it.
I wrote exactly what I meant.You know neither your own history,nor yet anything about Islamic values.You are what 500 years of Spanish and American terrorism has turned you into ...devoted catholics most of whom are now come adrift from even this false hope their priests gave them.
As for the comment ”If you cannot substantiate what you mean”.I was wanting to sincerly avoid my having to educate you about your history,and was hoping you would be wise enough to just take the hint and research yourself.But since you insist I will post my first article today ... and one every two days thereafter.A total of three in all.After all I cannot hope to distill a thosand years of history into anything less.Please do read ...and offer your comments.
May God keep you pure and good...and grant you peace and contentenment..and the grace to remain composed..and the ability to recognise the truth when you see it.
You said:
”Fight is allowed in self defence and in that case its not terrorism.”
I will keep within my territory, though I can give other examples outside of my country.
Radical Islamists attacked Mindanao towns killing civilians, torching property, looting stores (even children’s piggy banks), hostaging civilians, sending many innocent people fleeing as refugees, etc etc.
These incidents (particularly on August 18, 2008), were ON THE OFFENSIVE. Radical Islamists were not defending themselves here.
These were purely terroristic attacks as claimed even by the commander that the attacks were meant to ”send a clear signal to the Philippine government and Filipinos.” Any which way you look at this, this is NOT IN DEFENSE, and were definitely ACTS OF TERRORISM.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
They were defending their right to live as they wish in their own land.They are defending their right to their own values and beliefs -something they have been fighting the Spainards and Americans for too since last 500 years .
And as for the small incidents you mention- even if they kill a 1000 times as much they will not exceed the certainly over 200,000 native Filiponos at minimum (some say over 500,000) BUTCHED IN PHILIPINES BY THE AMERICANS IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS LATE AS 1898-1902.
It is so very hypocritical when you paint your butchers as the paragon of virtue,and the victims as the terrorists.
You have made your point very clear in this post and the previous post. Its unfortunate that all arguments against Radical Islamism or discussion about misinterpretation of Islam are being seen as ’Islamophobia’. ’Islamophobia’ is the new defense line for some people.
@Fariha, Hassan
The point remains, the discussion here is violence and crimes against humanity in the name of religion. We are not giving terrorism a colour of religion, the rebel groups carrying out slaughter in the name of ’ALLAH’ are giving claiming it loudly enough to be fight in the name of religion.
These terrorists are creating a ground for Islamophobia by all this slaughter and violent means to ’send’ their message accross.
Unfortunately you use a derogatory tone when you comment about all those who criticize role of religion. We don’t wear our religion and beliefs on our collars and use it as shield of protection and quote scriptures.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’ISLAM’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I am against use of any religion or any other excuse as a tool of spreading hatred and intolerance. Please read: http://madkat70.instablogs.com/entry/will-hatred-be-modern-world-s-wmd/
What i dont understand is that why do u gyus feel that you are the only ones who condenm terrorism? Do u find me or other eductaed and sane Muslims supporting killing? I dont think so. But you seem to ignore all my comments where i have stated that IT IS WRONG. Your commnets sugest that its probably only Grace and you who love mankind and the rest pf the world, especially all the MUSLIMS are tyrants, whereas those who are invloved in these activities and hold such thoughts are but few. Every Muslim belives in PEACE and TOLERANCE and pls dont give under tones that all of them are killing in the name of religion.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
The same criticism stands for any and all religions guilty of such violence, Christianity is not exempt. I have even seen examples of Buddhist intolerance and violence (!!!).
I think that an article is yet to be written on the ways in which people inversely define themselves reflexively through their static texts in a search for personal continuity and psychological security in a world which offers them none...
Practiced on a mass scale, fundamentalism is but a step behind radicalism. And both spring from whatever we like to put as the moderate versions of religion. I said it elsewhere before and I say it again if one’s purpose is peaceful, one would as easily find teachings that further the same, else the verses calling for being interpreted for evil purposes are aplenty.
Is this the fault of the interpreter or of the scriptures? I believe it is the latter. You may decide on your own.
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Who has given you the right to speak for others? Don't try to be an ambassador for people who don't agree with you. Just mind your own business and voice your own thoughts. Don't be oversmart.
I have quoted from Holy Quran. It has not been denied. Every one is trying to explain the context in which it was said. My point is simply this; the terrorist who are caught in my country quote the same verses to justify their actions. It simply means that they have not understood the true essence of Islam. It is upon the Muslim community, intellectuals and devotees like Fariha and opinion makers like Hassan to clear their misinformation.
I have quoted history as was taught to us. With more knowledge available, some one will re-write or revise it.
Some one feels I am out for Islam bashing. I strongly deny it. The allegation is motivated. I use my right of reply. The opinion expressed is purely mine to generate a debate. If some one feels that I am trying to spread hatred between communities, I may say that the person is mistaken.
In Certain Masjids belonging to Barelvi school of thought, notices were publicly issued barring the entry of Deobandi and Muslims other than Barelvi for prayers. The matter was widely reported in local as well as national newspapers.
It raises a deeper question about the faith. Are all Muslims really equals? If so, why do they bar entry of each other in their houses of prayer?
It shows that sections within Muslim faith have rejected the radical version of Islam as anti Islamic. Radical Islam is Satan's own religion that is giving Allah's Islam (preached through his prophet) a tough time.
Who would believe liars like you.Any one can see this is a clip of a whore house with a madam,her dancing girl -and customers,and not a family.
Your credibality as a sensible reporter is impaired.so please desist from making such flawed posts.
Dear u dont have to apologize on anyone’s behalf. Those who are brimming with hatred have every excuse for it. We are all responsible for our own deeds. I am happy there are still some people who got to understand wat my intention here so far has been but they are very few and i think my articles have not done much good to bring understanding between ple. I think it was my folly to show light to those who are blind.
Thanks for your kindness Asmita; the world is still surviving as we have some good humans like u :)
Where oh where did I say that I paint the butchers as paragons of virtue, huh??
I saw that you wrote an article about Philippine history that is tilted.
Find below after this my comment to what you wrote.
FYI, Hassan, if you hate America, so do I. So, we have nothing to argue there, bro! You cannot expect me to come into the defense of USA.
I have written many articles somewhere else against stupid Islamphobia.
Over reacting already!Who asked you to defend Spanish and American actions in Philipines? You couldn’t do so even if you wanted to!
And I so understand your feelings when you say you want to puke over them.But to say you want to vomit isn’t enough-it is just semantics.Get a lesson from your countrymen and racial kin -though not the religious ones - The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.
The Holy Quran teaches the Muslims the meaning of Jehad,defining it very clearly.It is a fight against injustice or falsehood in what ever manner you can, it is thus always defensive in it’s basic concept-never offensive.Various forms are:
1.Physical War or Resistance.Waged with all means at one’s disposal to utterly destroy the fighting manpower of the oppressor;but maximum protection to his old people,incapicated,women and children.
2.If you cannot do that then adopt written or verbal opposition in all it’s forms.
3.If you cannot even do that then remain silent but always remain
mentally opposed to the injustice thus keeping the issue alive.A day may come when you will be able to triumph.
Can you see the beauty of the teaching.There is so concept of vomiting here;no despair;no hopelessness
ever - only a strategy for the champions of justice to eventually triump.No hypocrate and oppressor no matter how powerful could ever adopt successfully or even hope to counter such a perception.
That is why the poor ill equipped Moros have been able to wage their war for 500 years and survive with their belief and culture intact -while even powers like the Spanish and Americans have left
Oh yes,we have every thing to argue about!Why do you hate the Americans?I don’t.There are millions of Americans who now know and decry the injust actions of their government and church institutions even more forcefully then I do.Why should I hate them?
I only hate injustice and the governments and people of any race,color or religion who perpetuate it in any of it’s form anywhere -and that includes so called Muslims.But the Moros are not in any way one such people.
Finally if the article I wrote about Philipines is tilted,and you have read it.....I consider it so unethical of you to comment that it is tilted in this place where readers havn’t even read it;rather then joining the discussion at the proper forum where perhaps all who read my article could be alerted to the misinformation I am allegdely trying to feed them.
But, yes, I vomit.
The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years? Wow!
Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?
The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.
Do the Math.
Take a shower.
Look up PERSECUTION COMPLEX.
It’s your choice as to what to do first of these three.
My comment to your totally propagandized article entitled: ”Islamic Heritage of the Philippines”
If your intention is to imply that we Filipinos hate our Islamic heritage (your title is very correct, kudos!), then you are gravely mistaken. The Philippines is a melting pot of colonizing cultures, and we are proud of our Islamic, Hindu, and Chinese heritages. It’s our Spanish and American pasts that we want to vomit.
In your rush to post a pro-Muslim propaganda, you missed the salient points which prove the fact that we are proud of our Islamic heritage.
Where are the Codes? Where is our ancient form of writing? How did the word “barangay’ travel a long way so much so that we, today, use the word to mean official geographical community? Where is the story of the Datus that all Filipinos learn in school as early as first grade? Do you know that many of our streets, towns, etc are named after our Muslim forefathers?
I can go on and on and on to mention what you have failed to say as our Islamic heritage.
This is total tragedy. Even the Muslims of the Philippines will rebuke you for doing this disservice.
It is precisely materials such as this that reek of ignorance that create rifts, instead of bridging gaps.
This post does not help the peace process in the Philippines right now. We are a peaceful people that want to accommodate one another because we are ALL Filipinos, Muslims and Christians alike (plus all other religious persuasions) – at the end of the day.
For your information, Filipinos love one another (Muslims and Christians alike). The Philippines is known proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue. It’s RADICAL ISLAMISTS that we will not put up with (Muslims and Christians alike).
We don’t need people like you to further widen rifts. We are okay as we are. You have no right to imply that we do not love our Islamic heritage. You, a Muslim who is supposed to be an advocate of peace, are doing precisely the opposite.
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
PS
Your cut-and-paste production of various rip-offs over here could use various revisions and corrections. I will not do the work for you. Go back to the drawing board. You should have consulted materials from the Sultanate of Sulu Research Center with which, if you did, you would have spoken to me.
You reply to my article at this place ,rather then at the proper place which is in the comments to the article itself indicates that you have lost your wits.Don’t you want to correct my alleged misinformations at the place where they occur so that anyone who reads them is at once alerted to my fraud...or would you rather let them stand unchallenged!!!
So I will not reply to this unashamedly false and evasively misleading comment here.It has no relationship to what I wrote as anyone who reads my article will be able to judge.However after two days when I post my next article on Philipines I will copy paste this reply of yours at it’s proper ploace along with my comments on what I think of it..
Over here I will only reply to one of your comments which is of a general nature,for it proves you obviously don’t practice what you preach:
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
If you believed in that then you are neither a Muslim,nor a Hindu nor even a Pakistani or an Indian..... so why then do you write so many such articles.Shouldn’t you confine yourself to just Philipine issues.
Why are you defending the terrorists and justifying what they do?
PS
If you read my articles, they were related to the Philippines. They are confined to the Philippine setting, and are related to the resurgence of radical Islamist violence in southern Philippines over the past week.
PPS
I already told you earlier. If you cannot substantiate what you mean when you said I don’t even know the history of my country, then I cannot take you seriously.
So, my suggestion was for you to go back to the drawing board and reread whatever materials you ripped off for your write-up.
Instead of a straight forward reply to my queries you are again off with your strange twisted arguements and evasive and diversionarty tactics.These can’t get you off the hook madam!
Now you think accusing me of being an ISLAMIC RADICAL will scare me.Well I am not the innocent ,simple and pure hearted Fariha whom double tongued people like you have almost driven off this blog.If standing up for justice means ISLAMIC RADICALism then indeed I am one.
The Moros are not terrorists.They have been oppressed for over or almost 500 years (whats a few years in such a long war,they can continue for another 500 years if need be)They have a right to defend their lands,their culture,their beliefs and values....no amount of your lies can change that.I stand for justice everywhere...
That is why I cannot take you seriously because ALREADY you are VERY BIASED with what you write. You read somewhere that Moros have been oppressed and killed for centuries, you make it as the ONLY FACT AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE.
So, I don’t know if you are making your own propaganda or believing the propaganda that you make.
The Philippines isn’t condoning or tolerating the injustices done to Moros by the Spaniards and the Americans. It’s all over our history books, for crying out loud!
And DO NOT EQUATE Moros with Radical Islamists. Oh man oh man, the Moros will hate you for that!
No I just opposed state terrorism.But you wouldn’t understand my reply as you havn’t researched the moro issue.You will havt to wait till I have compleated my third one.but the first one I have posted about Muslims and the Spanish gives just a very brief and concise historical background to the problem.
I suggest you read it,and offer your comments there if you truly want a constructive dialogue on the issue.
@Hasan you need to chill. Like-minded people would soon start tracking you :P
You need no advertising on this forum. :P
This is precisely what you are over reacting about.The article only gives a cocise history of Philipines the Muslims and Spanish period and hilights certain facts.instead of dealing with those there ,you are already worried about what is to come next.
I shall certainly bring those issues up at the proper time in my third article.Let every one to get to know the basic issues first.NO?
As for the killing or depravation of Moro rights of Moros for centuries ,it has come up in these comments.I havn’t got to that stage in my articles yet.No? So am I right in assuming you deny such killing and deprivation of rights? If that be the case might it not be the civilised behaviour that you hold your opinion on this issue and I mine till we get to the article in which I discuss the current state of the problem?
I owe my Muslim brothers and sisters in the Philippines the duty to write about the atrocities of radical Islamists (who even Muslims themselves abhor).
You should have taken to heart the caveat that I wrote at the top of the article which goes:
”I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.”
I am disheartened that you are even one of those who equate Islam with radical Islamism. I was intending this caveat for non-Muslims, really.
My two posts wich you have singled out as an attack on Islam are really about radical Islamists.
Anyway, there are the readers who could judge the articles.
Fariha, this is a heartfelt message to you from a sister who found you here in Instablogs.
I am an adopted daughter of one of the Muslim Sultanates in Mindanao. I am not a criticizer of Islam. But I will not stop to tell the story of how radical Islamists have been oppressing their fellow Muslims in Mindanao. It’s my oppression, too!
I have nothing against u wrting abt wat is happening there. May b we are misunderstanding each other. I was only condenming those who hit on Islam rather than terrorism itself in such like articles. I totally understand ur intention here girl and have no offences beleive me. I also know that all Muslims are not saints... the only point of my concern is that some ple just take liberty to write watever crap comes to their mind and vomit such articles with them, which change the entire course of the writing! I have not found your posts attacking Islam at all; i only elaborted them telling wat is hapening alaround us because those who are actually enemies of Islam and not Islamophibia find it a great platform to carry out their hateful activities.
So pls dont misunderstand me girl. I honestly dont beleive that u were hiting ’Islam’ in any way... in fact you have explained in a very logical way the true Islam and the spolied version. I am sorry if any of my comments gave u such like impression... but if u wud go through some comments on both the posts, u wud know why i said wat i did. Hope u will understand.
But now I understand what you mean and I believe you.
It’s a process that we’re going through, girl. Don’t you see how we complement each other here? While you write about what Islam is about and should be, I write about enterprising people who twist the religion for their ulterior motives.
It’s my intention to show that it’s the misinterpretation of some Muslims that is bringing on the sad state. And I make sure that, with what I write, I make clear that it’s about people, not about Islam nor the Qur’an.
I really wanna separate radical Islamists from the Islam faith because as one of the comments had said: these are not Muslims.
But it will be a long and painful process for us. We have to have nerves of steel to accept comments that are painful.
Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed! Hehe...
I admire Hassan’s attempt. But if he is not factually faithful and will not present balanced views, his implications will only widen rifts - and that won’t help.
So, you listen to me now girlilash, okay! I DO NOT WANT YOU TO LEAVE INSTABLOGS because you are an aspect to balance views. Do you see what I mean?
And what history is and wat not, all i know is that everyone shud let the other live in peace. However,say if they are really oppressed, then u and i cant condenm them. But again, i cant judge, its God’s thing.
As far as leaving Insta is concerned, i wish i cud stay or may b i return after sometime, but at the moment i feel its a mess and it has rather become a batle field than opinion sharing. My focus of reformation is myself as i am more inclined to Sufi side of Islam... so i think jihad within myself is superior than jihad with the pen... at least for the moment. Take care :)
He also wants to send the message that Moros are in ”uprising” now to defend their faith and the right to practice the faith.
It might disappoint him to know that the Philippines is PAINFULLY a DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY. We welcome ALL FAITHS because we are a democracy. The Philippines is also a known staunch proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue.
The Muslims in the Philippines do not have a problem with exercising their faith. Ramadan is even proclaimed a national non-working holiday!
The ones that are having trouble are the radical Islamists because they have a political agenda. They want to politically rule and own a part of the Philippines.
The Philippine government has really been stupid all this time to deal with terrorists and was actually willing to give radical Islamists what they want. And this is because the Philippines is painfully a democracy that has to gve each and everyone due process and due rights.
But some Filipinos have come to counter the terrorists’ demands because these terrorists have shown that they cannot rule the Moro Land by way of firepower. That’ll be death and more oppression for the Filipino Muslims!
If you ask me, I cannot even comprehend why this country is actually negotiating with terrorists!
we can go mad but cant find a solution to this may be :-s
In the Philippines, I think 65,000 families have been effected over the past week alone because of this dispute.
I believe in God and I’ve been praying a lot!
Your reply to Fariha proves what I have been saying all along and you denying. Oh Girl!!Are you jumpy and over reacting!!!...or is it an attempt at pre-emting the facts that you know will be revealed:”Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the Philippines have been oppressed!”” Hehe...
How do you know it will probably show Muslims in the Philipines have been oppressed?Hehe Indeed !!
Rest and chill. Would you like a cup of coffee? Hey that isn’t sarcastic, huh. I really have some freshly made coffee and wish you were here so we can discuss our differences over cups of coffee, and then you’ll slowly realize that I’m not an enemy.
Done with the write-ups yet? Please give us links. I mean really that’ll save us time to recheck your facts and sources.
It’s really quite easy to link. This non-techie got the hang of it after a few tries.
Rest now, Hassan. Ok, I promise to give thoughtful comments. Does that make you feel better? I hope...
Nothing to be worried about.I’m tolerant and peaceful, hehe...
PEACE
You need links to your own history!!Guess I was right about you being lost. Other wise by now i would have been told precisely where i was wrong in my research article.But as you said you prefer not to take my writing seriously.That’s one way of avoiding the issue.OK by me ,my next article will be day after tomorrow.
Thanks for the offer of coffee.Mentally I have already consumed,and enjoyed it.
You are either naive and an idealist -or else a hypocrate.I hope it is the former.
This I say in reference to your comment:We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
Nothing ,not even wars can to taken in isolation from their historical context.Who gave the Spainards ,the Americans and the Philipnos the right to kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims men,women and children (or Moros as they call them -derived from Moors) over the past 1000 years;and take their lands;try and impose their beliefs and laws on them?
And then to raise a hue and cry as they continue fighting agaist this injustice in what ever manner they can?
They are a brave people and not terrorists.Any one who can fight for their rights for such a long time deserve to be saluted and not bad mouthed.
Did you encounter the term ”juramentado” in your research?
I will not deny that many Moros were killed in history, in the Philippines. I don’t commend the killings done by colonizing forces.
I hate mudslinging. It’s so petty and childish, but for the sake of balanced journalism, maybe you should also state how many people the Moros killed. For the sake of balanced reporting, you know.
And for that, you can start by explaining the ”juramentados.” This is a Spanish word that loosely translates to ”amok.”
I agree with u girl. I may be mad as well but all i wish and pray is that we can find a solution to all this hatred. I feel it stems from within a person and then it gets out side and destroys the whole world. So purifying own owwn selves can probably self the world at large. I am sorry if any of my comments in the couple of posts hurt u in any way; some ple really drove me crazy... but that wasnt u. So no offenses :)))
Innocence doesn’t mean ignorance or naivete.
Madhuri you are neither naive nor a hypocrate ...you are an optimist ..so bless you girl....and yet I must say ,never shirk from speaking against injustice anywhere by anyone.Should enough people be able to do so,this earth would become paradise itself.
And Grace thanks for telling me what ”juramentado” means.If what has been happening to the Moros for the past 500 years till to date had been happening to me and my family or lands i would be perfectly justified in running ’amok’!
The scary thing about Hassan is that he is raising a voice for justice.Why must you remain a devil’s advocate grace?
”When Muslims in France aren’t yet demanding for a separate nation, why must they, in Philippines, in India, in Russia, in Thailand...!!”
Isn’t that a question you should ask of the people who are making these demands?
India’s population is 17% Muslims today. In my childhood the only riots I knew were amongst Shia - Sunni over Tazia procession. Terrorism was not associated with Muslims. Terrorist word was heard in India with the advent of naxal movement which was more due to failure of land reforms. The next terrorist activity was heard from Punjab and suddenly Sikhs were the terrorists. The problem was economical. A voice started from the Kashmir valley and suddenly there were foreign terrorists. It is more about geographical imbalances. Mumbai blasts and other such disruptive activities were attributed to terrorist activities. Initially Government blamed Pakistan for its failure to provide safety to Indian citizens but then government’s own agencies compiled a list which has been extracted by Hassan somewhere.
I can not visualise my country without my Muslim brethren.
What do I do about the terrorist?
The Moro Land in the Philippines was relatively peaceful in their demand for their ancestral domains. It got screwed up when terrorists came in, wanting to own it for terroristic training grounds. Mindanao has been used to further the activities of al-Qaeda and Jemaah Islamiyah.
I am trying to go to to the root of the problem. I am being branded a Islam basher and hate-spreader. A lady has threatened to leave instablogs. Not that she disputes a single sentence of what I write but because it does not suit her Sufi taste. It is quite possible that some one will issue a fatwa to eliminate me. Who knows?
I shall include you as a friend today!!!
We have many people like you enjoying both sides of a convesation... till it is time to torpedo peace and justice.
Yet you will also passionately advocate it’s cause without really understanding the sacrifice it entails.may I remind you of that famous saying ”patroitism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”...and to this I add ” all misery flows out of the mouth of a priest.” (= Mullah,Rabbi etc ,etc).
Rembember peace is not about winning a political or religious arguement..it never was...it is about upholding the principles of justice and equal rights for everybody
Regards
I have nothing to win from you or fariha or others. I have nothing to gain by exposing the double talk carried out in the name of religionwho practice hatred.
I write in pain and in anger on being hurt. As happens in small brawls, I find peace lovers jumping in to say sorry on behalf of seemingly aggressive parties to end the argument. The argument does not end. Silencing a critic does not silence his thoughts. Fariha is resorting to emotional blackmail. She is not likely to go away so soon, is my reading, as predicted earlier by Jai. She may take some time off; thats the maximum. Her craving as a Sufi will bring her back to spread message of the Lord. She will overcome the anguish.
Thanks for including me as friend. I will try to be worthy of your friendship.
Incidently, I am a friend of fariha too. You may check that by going to either mine or her blog.
I wish it were as easy to make friends in real life,as this insta blog seems to suggest.Unfortunately it is not.Much as I would like to have you as a friend, I find the different frequencies at which our two minds work means that for the time being we can only continue with our attempt at better communications.
By the way i am a poet too ;and even though this blog has no place for literary persuits,I shall try to post one of my poems somewhere today...and see how it goes.I think poetry is one of the more civilised methods of communicating feelings and emotions.
It was your wish to include me as your friend. Again, it is your wish not to. I have no problem either way.
I agree that I have different opinion, differing opinion which is not prejudiced on caste, colour, creed, sex, race, region, religion, etc. Some people think that friends should not criticise. I feel that in that case, the friend is not true. Knowing the weakness and still liking is the best and lasting relationship amongst friends.
Man made religion
It is man’s fault that we are divide into various religions.
My spiritual guru preaches that all saints that came to the world at various times preached only one thing...finding god within oneself
it is man that misconstrued the preaching to suit his daily routine and represent HIS ideas not GOD’s
God doesn’t say kill one another
NO GOD SAYS THAT!!!
The sooner we all realize this the faster peace will enter our lives again
God is one
We should really try to find him within and not in some scripts, texts, temples, church, gurudwara or mosque
I havn’t even written any article yet at what the Philipines is doing to the Moros!This first one was only about The Muslim heritage and how the peaceful Indian traders (from Tamil Nadu) established Islam in the religion and how the Spanish tried to establish catholicism..but failed to uproot Islam.
And I clearly told you how the Philipines dealt with the moros will be the third one.Girl are you worried already?
”The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.”
Oh well, I’ll let you be. Go and write those articles now that you threaten will worry me. Replying to you is an exercise in futility as is already obvious by now to many people here that you are a FANATICAL.
Just come up with factual details so I can take you seriously. If you can’t come up with factual and balanced details about my country, I suggest you keep to yours. If I remember it right, your Pakistan-India article was also lambasted for being lopsided and tilted.
Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
I stressed and underscored the political agenda of radical Islamists, wanting to present the political aspect of it all. Unfortunately, some see it in the light of religion.
I mentioned Islamist state, totalitarian movement, law, etc. because that’s precisely what I want to drive at. What I want to say is that radical Islamists are not necessarily about Islam because they are more for political ideology and pursuing a political agenda.
Why can’t people divorce the two so the world’s laws can deal with radical Islamists/terrorists as breakers of laws?
I mean i dont understand how can u even say that God is the cause of evil !?! And then u guys have all the right here, hey we are free to say whatever we fel like, freedom of expression!” I mean there has to be a limit to freedom of expression. Do we go about abusing our mother coz we are have freedom of expression? May be before accusing God we should accuse our moms and dads as they brought us into the evil world!
Pls, i request to u have SOME LIMIT and SENSE when u express your inner most feelings. God wont become evil by your crazy statment but u can hurt many people who happen to love him; you need to have some regard for the Beloved of some... if u can.... MAN, i should bang my head in the wall!!!
Are you going to set the limits of our freedom of expression? It would be interesting to see that.
If only they could not wage it all in the name of a non-existent Allah, all would have been well. There would have been fights but causes and results would have been clearer and perhaps easier to deal with.
Seems like you are a true devout, unable to hear anyone criticize him (yes a small ’h’). If that’s so I apologize purely for making you think about banging your head against the wall, and not against expressing what I sincerely believe to be true (and I thank some for seconding it).
What I am saying that religion and god are two of the most successful weapons for someone who cannot justify his aim by any other means. I rest my case. And this isn’t the place to discuss it anyway.
Sorry Grace.
No dear how can i set limits of defining freedom of expression, but i thought i was in the middle of some civilized and educated ple who cud extend mutual respect to other’s beliefs and feelings. I was a fool darling as i was sure since a long time.
How can i expect any limit where ple are actually proud of having no god. ofcourse i dont belong here darling and my decision was surely true. I belong to the One who does not exist for you. He has given u nothing, but He has given everything to me. So i prefer to be His servant than to be your friend here. The one who cannot be grateful to His Creator and deny Him, what good can be be to His creation? Thats a matter of shame for me and matter of pride for u.
To be your way and to me be mine an let HIm decide... oh sory, but he doesnt even exist. Cheers.
This can hurt many. There should be mass exodus from this forum...
Also if disagreeing means not showing mutual respect, then there will never be any place for arguments or debate under the sun.
May be i am coward thats why i am ruunig away. I am scared of u and many godless ple as Allah has taught me that the one who does not fear Him, does not fear anything and can go to any extent of evil.
So darling, we dont belong together... Namasty India ;)
See girl, we actually do belong to two different worlds. And i think this gap cannot be bridged. And arguments lead nowhere as u wud know. I am sorry if any of my coments here have hurt anyone.., may be i am also adhereing to freedom of expression...LOL
i will destroy my own values if i stay here coz i can never make ple understand my point and may b i can never undertsnad their’s.... there are 2 differnt worlds altogether taht we are in. See, its better for me to go yar, not to disapoint or hurt anyone. Take care.
Allah Hafiz
Had this been a post about anything else, anything but religion, everyone would have been happy. But as it is, it turns people against each other, tempers get flared and pasts are dug. That is exactly what religion does. Had we no religion, several of the problems in world would never have begun. ( A generalization indeed, but true if you look closely enough). God and religion remain root of evil, no matter how much we turn away from the fact.
Sure Jai, u are ur own god, but in that case u should never die. Will u ? can u? LOL
Gandhiji said ”Allah Ishwar tero naam” meaning Allah and Ishwar is thy name which puts Allah and Ishwar at par.
Someone please be kind enough to delete two of the replications.
I already said that I’ll just read what you come up with. But then again if it isn’t balanced and just tilted to show that Moros were oppressed for their faith, then I have to tell you as early as now that sorry I cannot take you seriously and will admonish your attempt to spread wrong information.
And I will leave you with this FACT:
Moros aren’t opppressed in the Philippines right this very minute, by Filipinos. It’s radical Islamists that are oppressing their fellow Muslims. Take that as fact or ignore it, that’s up to you.
I choose to ignore it,till I take the issue upin my third article.
So, if you cannot point out what you don’t agree with in this post entitled ”Radical Islamism: Islam Gone Bad,” then I take it that you agree with everything I wrote.
I hope you don’t hate my butting in too much :P
Ok now that the air seems to be thinning a bit. let’s all heave a sigh of relief! Sigh...
Now, let’s have a group hug! (((HUGS)))
LOL I love you all!!!
Let’s stop this fighting. It’s a complete waste of comment boxes that just spill of vitriol.
I assure you that I’m not attacking Islam. Readers here will attest to that.
So, bro, you are barking up the wrong tree.
Taking a cue from you,I will give my reply to this elsewhere!!!And No...I don’t agree with anything you say in it.
Have peace and tolerance, Hassan, you’re a Muslim!
I am not but I will give and leave you peace and tolerance.
PEACE, BROTHER!
And you won’t be leaving soon.. you will be around even after I’m gone, and you may still be around when I’m dead and burnt and comment here saying ’A godless devil’s ashes were thrown in to the sea today, Long Live Him’
Tee hee hee!
You said:
”The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years.”
Wow!
Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?
The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.
Do the Math.
See, it was just one question and you cannot even answer it, and just chose to evade answering it. And you’re threatening a discussion of the history of my country after accusing me of not knowing my history??
DUH...
LOL! just kidding.....
All the best to all the varied views...
relax take a chill pill
These are varied views alright, but I just wish it’s been indeed a healthy discussion for all.
I’m invigorated enough to just sit it out at Starbucks, with a tall glass of iced latte!
initially the deiscussion appeared to be leading towards a free for all boxing bout. The saner comments of the moderator has brought the real problem in focus and the subject on the burner.
Who is the moderator?
But in Islam it seems their relegion teaches..KILL,KILL ,KILL everyone who dont beleive in Islam.They forgets even about their earlier history and relegions.They dont gives respect to their past history and culture.
I respect your comments and I’m glad that a post like this gave you an opportunity to voice out what you want to say.
YESTERDAY I SAW THREE GIRLS,GOING ON THEIR FOOT FOR LONG JOURNEY TO ’SALEEM CHISHTEY DARGAH’,AJMER.THEY CARRIED TWO FLAGS IN THEIR HAND.ONE FOR ’RAMDEOBABA’ AND ANOTHER FOR DARGAH.
YES THERE IS ’HOPE’ FOR INDIA.
Peoples like you who have knowledge of other relegions too,must come forward,without fear to bring about a change.
Hopefully, writing about it will help me, in my own little way and in my corner of the world, to do something to eradicate Islamophobia, or at least lessen it.
Who started this Arab-Israeli conflict? The root cause of radical Islam gaining popularity is the plantation of the Zionist seed in the heart of Muslim Arab land by the West. From then the brutality the Jews carried out against unarmed Arabs to take some kind of historical revenge is the cause of terrorism.
The one to start this must stop this. Israel must return all occupied Arab land including Palestine and whatever they captured in the 6-Day war. All displaced Palestinians must be given the right to return which is guaranteed by the International Human Rights Charter. Then they must stop the killings. Rob the terrorists of their cause and have peace. Israel in the last 60 years have shown nothing but complete indifference to international opinion and treated Arabs with contempt. Most Israelis are not ethnic Arab Jews. They are foreigners and/or of alien origin who do not know anything about the indigenous culture and tradition but driven by hatred to kill Muslim locals.
Islam is Islam for what it is - a religion. Radical Islamism is political in nature. Putting the two together, as some have tried to identify one with the other, is hurting the religion.
Don’t you see the reasoning of the people who term your figt as islamic radicalism? According to them you will actually be loving your children more,when you stop killing or fighting againstyour childrens killers!!
Boy they have applied this kind of mentality to the Moros for almost 500 years,you people are comparative new comers to their defination of love.
Of course you are correct.Islam indeed any other religion or even ideology justifies fighting in any way against those who oppress you.Only some people here wount support that principle,because as they say,”birds of a feather flock togather”. the Moros have been facing this type of treatment for 500 years ;and are still at it.I don’t blame them-nor do i blame your people.
But you know in the Philippines, their fellow Muslims are not really condoning the acts of these terrorists. Not all of Bangsamoro (that’s Muslim land in southern Philippines) approve of the way radical Islamists employ to get their desired end.
In fact, the radical Islamist Moro Islamic Liberation Front was a splinter separatist group of the earlier Moro National Liberation Front (which is the governing political party of Bangsamoro - or more officially called the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao or ARMM).
So in the Philippines, a huge majority of Muslims definitely repel the Muslim terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Islam
It’s very clear that radical Islamists are cause of worry for the whole world .There is urgent need of right interpretation of Quranic verses to bring peace and order in world .It’s another thing that it’s very difficult for the Muslims to rise above the hard-core interpretations of Islamic perceptions . But I wonder why the feeling of alienation is felt so strongly by the Muslim community while being placed amidst other societies? Who has given them the right to butcher people in the name of creating Islamic state across the globe?
One cannot ignore the fact the dangerous interpretation of the Islamic perceptions have given rise to all sorts of problem .Probably, this is why it’s difficult for average Muslim to remain faithful to a particular country even if they have been living there from thousands of years .Only because greater faith in the rules framed by the Allah are superior than the land of law. No wonder why the killings are always in the name of Allah!!
It’s indeed a hard nut to crack for people outside the realm of Islamic perceptions to think of bringing substantial change in the Muslim mindset. The word of kafirs wouldn’t impress the Muslim society. So the only option left is that Muslim Ulemmas come out with better and honest interpretations .Otherwise , it’s very clear that we are moving towards a sharp and ominous polarization of the world community .It remains to be seen whether virtuous souls within Muslim community are able to marginalize the radical Islamists .
I feel that it’s greatly unfair for the religion to be always associated with the evil doings of these renegades.
You have done a great job . By calling a spade a spade , you have given a fitting reply to the radical Islamists .
Yes, religion should not be blamed for the misdeeds of small section of deluded souls . However , one cannot ignore the fact that Islam has been held hostage to wrong interpretations of Quranic teachings .PBUH might have uttered these perceptions with right intentions but they have turned into convenient medium to harass the non-believers.Who has given radical Islamists the right to kill people in the name of Allah ? Why Islamic state of affairs is the only way of bringing light in the world ? Against this backdrop , it’s really very hard to believe that Islam arrived in the world to establish the kingdom of peace on the earth !!
You’re right. Some have twisted the scriptures to serve their political end, while some others have been blindly led to misinterpret further because they have been brainwashed by these enterprising ones.
But I have met some who belong to the religion and are living an example of peace.
We see the extreme, but we also find the true proponents of peace who live in peace. I’ve met a lot of the latter.
While they cannot so much as help remedy the situation, they just quietly live the best of the scriptures.
People are varied, religion or none.
It’s politics that is hopeless, don’t you think so? :)
Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .
Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,
Dear Grace B ,
Though I have always been an optimist , I am too not very convinced that better sense is going to prevail among the Muslim community . It’s because Muslim mind is conductive in nature . It very easily gets swayed by illusions of all sorts . Had this been not the case , the suicide bombers would not have emerged at all .If we go back in History we find that Muslim League was able to strike rapport with Indian Muslims within a very short time and was succssful in convincing them that a separate country would serve their purposes better . On the other hand , Hindu Mahasabha failed to shake the conscience of Hindus . Jinnah was successful in dividing India on religious grounds .
Even what’s happening today is enough to prove that Muslim society has failed to evolve with time . Abu Bashar,the mastermind behind the Gujarat’s bomb blasts , is being defended by none other than the Shahi Imam of Delhi’s Jama Masjid, Maulana Ahmed Bukhari .You will find many Muslim intellectuals shedding tears for banned organization like SIMI-an organization found involved in many anti-national activities . According to a latest news report , the educated Muslim youths have joined in large number the cadres of SIMI .If that’s the case , it’s nothing short of foolhardiness to think of better days !!
You seem to be certain that the situation with Muslims will not change. I can understand if your immediate basis is Indian Muslims. I really am not in the know with that sector.
But I have personally witnessed the attempts of Muslims to change and evolve, and integrate themselves into the mainstream of society outside the Muslim world. I have met progressive Muslims who practice the good in their scriptures in the communities where they belong. I’ve been with events connected with Inter-Faith Dialogue where Muslims are open to suggestions, thereby showing that they do not have an insular mind. I have met Muslims who condemn the doings of radical Islamists, even if these lawless elements are fellow Muslims.
Not all Muslims are fundamentalists. While they respect their scriptures, most are also willing to embrace the thoughts of others.
These are enough basis for me to say that there is hope, if only we see that it’s hopeful.
Aren’t some of us being ”fundamentalist,” too, with our opinion of them, thereby making sweeping generalizations?
That is why I am very particular with separating Islam from radical Islamism. Because, often, our opinion of Muslims really revolves around the radical Islamists.
THe International Criminal Court at The Hague is about to issue an arrest warrant for Omar al-Bashir, President of Sudan, for 3 counts of genocide and other counts (for a total of 10 counts) for war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture, murder, pillaging, etc. in Darfur.
al-Bashir runs a radical Islamist state in Sudan, and this indictment of his at the ICC proves that radical Islamists are not above the law, and that the doctrine of universal jurisdiction can put an end to his dictatorial and tyrannical career.
Yes, there is hope that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc.
I am an eternal optimist .Plus I have no personal grudges against Muslim community be they in India or America . However,it’s very difficult to ignore the implications of dangerous activities of Muslim minds across the globe .Unless they are ready to believe that other religions are too on par with Quranic percepts ,it’s really very difficult to hope against hope.There are many Sumeras who believe that ” the final message as the muslims believe is the Quran in which no alteration is allowed or even expected ”( http://subil.instablogs.com/entry/appreciating-religious-differences/ ) .
Anyway ,let’s hope ”that radical Islamists may yet think twice before wreaking havoc ” !!!!
No, it’s rather tough to think that all radical Islamists will be eradicated. But at least, they don’t get into genocidal careers.
Even I was appalled with that post you linked. I commented on that and got a reply that said ”there’s no such thing as radical Islamism” or something to that effect.
I was shocked to learn that there are still some people who haven’t heard of radical Islamism!
Many thanks for accepting my viewpoint . We are on the same boat as far as radical Islamist is concerned .Though it’s very difficult to eliminate crooked interpretations of Islamic ideas , let’s hope the by-product of these flawed Islamic beliefs get marginalized in the days to come .
Religious fundamentalism (of any religion) is only for nitwits.
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Surah 3.
28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
152. Allah did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,-until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you but He forgave you: For Allah is full of grace to those who believe.
Surah 8.
12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ”I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah 9.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believer.
23. O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
Surah 25
52. Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).
Surah 29
49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.
Surah 32
22. And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns away therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) Retribution.
Surah 47
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Surah 48.
20. Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall acquire, and He has given you these beforehand; and He has restrained the hands of men from you; that it may be a Sign for the Believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path;
28. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.
Surah 49
15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.
Surah 61
4. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.
Surah 66
9. O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).
Surah 90
19. But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand.
20. On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).
I’m starting to think that Muslims who see through their scriptures may just be the hope for a much-needed change in these violent times.
Good luck with your anti-Islam campaign.
Your logic is twisted because you are looking with blinkered and jaundiced eyes of Islam.
Your forefathers must have been Hindus. Ask your elders how they embraced Islam? By beating or by getting convinced that Islam is the only religion for salvation. Your city is not La-whore. It is the city named on Princle Lav, the son of King Ram of Ayodhya.
If it is too much to ask, Oliver Twist once asked, can I have some more please? Today I ask, Can we all have some peace, please?
Hope is the most oppressive situation.
But hope is the only thing we have! We cling on to hope for hope.
Thank you for hoping that the Philippines and the rest of the troubled world will survive darkness.
If people stay within their chosen religions, then maybe we can have hope. Hope is killed when man starts to have an ulterior motive that is most likely fashioned out of a political mold.
I meant to say that we can’t have peace. You are asking for way too much.
But that’s all they have, for the longest time.
I think hope has nothing to do with objective reality.
I NEED PEACE AND SO DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD.
If there is such a thing as ’crimes against humanity,’ is there an equivalent to this in Islam?
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Its a shame that even in the new millennium we still have people who are more content on raking up age old issues just to prove their own superiority over others.
I believe that in the modern world, terrorism has very little to do with religion itself and more to do with the fact that people still aren’t being given equal opportunities.
The London-based terrorists or the Al-Quaida or even the Indian Mujahideen who claim to be blowing up citizens because their people were wronged sometime in the past really need to own up to the fact that they haven’t done any service to their people by their acts.
Osama blew up WTC and in return thousands of innocent muslims got massacred in Afghanistan and millions more face discrimination around the world because of that one day.
There are bombs going up every day in Iraq and Pakistan and even Kashmir thanks to the millions of dollar that these outfits receive in funds. I just want to know why cant these funds be used to provide better education, medical care and safe food and clean drinking water to the poorer sects??
Hindu agitators massacred innocent Muslims in Gujarat riots and vice versa. The leaders of the riots never got hurt, the ordinary people did which only goes on to show that terrorism never really proves anything or does anything for the common man!!!
I am leaving FINALLY coz i feel its no good how much we talk on this.... we may write pages or books but ple, things, hatred, evil wont change. A comment somewhere up here just proved it. So i feel we should concentrate on our own beings and purify our inner souls (BTW thats called jihad -e- akbar, the greatest form of jihad). That inner transformation may help this outer world become a better place... our words are useless. At least i will try to become a better person by strifing within myself and killing the evils within myself Inshallah.
May Allah protect, guide, forgive and show the right path to us all. Ameen
Allah Hafiz and Take care.
But, hey, if you give me a SCUD missile right now, I’ll blow up those radical Islamists without batting an eyelash! Hehe...
Don’t feel bad, girl. Don’t carry the Islam world on your shoulders. Hehe...
You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’.I will be posting an article about Phillipines in a day or two-be sure to read and comment on it;I will appreciate beeing corrected if I am wrong.As for Ramesh he obviously keeps permanent copies of pre-typed comments ,which he copy pastes all over with slight ammendments.Here is a reply I gave somewhere else to his exact same comment above on quotes from the Holy Quran:
Ramesh Balam’
Read what you have quoted yourself ,again and again if need be.Then relate them to the fact that all verses about fighting the pagans and unbelievers in The Holy Book are about fighting those who:
1.Harassed and tortured the Muslims when they were helpless few in Mecca.
2.Forced them to migrate to Medina.
3.Even there they did not leave the Muslims in peace and attacked them with a large army,and continued conspiring with some Jews to completely wipe them out-till they were defeated by The Muslims when they conquered Mecca.On this occassion the Holy prophet following the above quoted advise not only defeated teh Qureish of Mecca; but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
Perhaps if you have an open mind you will find each advise is not only perfectly correct for the situation in which the Muslims found themselves ,but also most humane and correct for any age in which the Muslims face a similar condition.
... but also forgave all these pagans -when according to the custom of the day he would have been perfectly justified in slaughtering or at the least enslaving his tormenters of the last 20 years.
his "tormentors"? this is rubbish. muhammad was a political and military leader. this is propaganda. and then who is muhammad to "forgive" some one for following a different faith?
Yes Grace, Islam very much addresses wat and how to punish ple and particularly Muslims if they are wrong. Allah does not give Muslims any favor for being Muslims, He is just and all are His ple. Muslims can be favourites ’if’ they folow the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) who is ”mercy for all the worlds”. The punishment for killing any person unduly is nothing less than death. Anyone who kills any person unduly should be punished to death. So they too deserve the same if they are killing innocent ple.
Here is my last post at insta. http://fariha.instablogs.com/entry/a-message-for-the-muslims-and-non-muslims/
This message must reach to all Muslims in particular and to all mankind in gerneral. Grace, may be you should get it printed and distribute it to Muslims or something like that which would practically help the situation. Dont worry abt me, Islam aint a burden for me, but i feel our talking here can do no practical good in this situation. So why waste words... TC
If you cannot substantiate what you mean by: ”Grace, You obviously don’t even know the history of your country,yet you feel qualified to comment on what you call ’radical Islamists’,” then I will simply think that you were not thinking when you wrote this comment.
Didn’t you see the post up there? Did you even read it? Or did you just blabber a knee-jerk reaction? I suggest you read the post. You might learn a thing or two about radical Islamism from it.
I wrote exactly what I meant.You know neither your own history,nor yet anything about Islamic values.You are what 500 years of Spanish and American terrorism has turned you into ...devoted catholics most of whom are now come adrift from even this false hope their priests gave them.
As for the comment ”If you cannot substantiate what you mean”.I was wanting to sincerly avoid my having to educate you about your history,and was hoping you would be wise enough to just take the hint and research yourself.But since you insist I will post my first article today ... and one every two days thereafter.A total of three in all.After all I cannot hope to distill a thosand years of history into anything less.Please do read ...and offer your comments.
May God keep you pure and good...and grant you peace and contentenment..and the grace to remain composed..and the ability to recognise the truth when you see it.
You said:
”Fight is allowed in self defence and in that case its not terrorism.”
I will keep within my territory, though I can give other examples outside of my country.
Radical Islamists attacked Mindanao towns killing civilians, torching property, looting stores (even children’s piggy banks), hostaging civilians, sending many innocent people fleeing as refugees, etc etc.
These incidents (particularly on August 18, 2008), were ON THE OFFENSIVE. Radical Islamists were not defending themselves here.
These were purely terroristic attacks as claimed even by the commander that the attacks were meant to ”send a clear signal to the Philippine government and Filipinos.” Any which way you look at this, this is NOT IN DEFENSE, and were definitely ACTS OF TERRORISM.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
They were defending their right to live as they wish in their own land.They are defending their right to their own values and beliefs -something they have been fighting the Spainards and Americans for too since last 500 years .
And as for the small incidents you mention- even if they kill a 1000 times as much they will not exceed the certainly over 200,000 native Filiponos at minimum (some say over 500,000) BUTCHED IN PHILIPINES BY THE AMERICANS IN JUST A COUPLE OF MONTHS AS LATE AS 1898-1902.
It is so very hypocritical when you paint your butchers as the paragon of virtue,and the victims as the terrorists.
You have made your point very clear in this post and the previous post. Its unfortunate that all arguments against Radical Islamism or discussion about misinterpretation of Islam are being seen as ’Islamophobia’. ’Islamophobia’ is the new defense line for some people.
@Fariha, Hassan
The point remains, the discussion here is violence and crimes against humanity in the name of religion. We are not giving terrorism a colour of religion, the rebel groups carrying out slaughter in the name of ’ALLAH’ are giving claiming it loudly enough to be fight in the name of religion.
These terrorists are creating a ground for Islamophobia by all this slaughter and violent means to ’send’ their message accross.
Unfortunately you use a derogatory tone when you comment about all those who criticize role of religion. We don’t wear our religion and beliefs on our collars and use it as shield of protection and quote scriptures.
Also I am willing to give a long discourse on what humanity means to me. But YOU’LL definitely think its the same what ’ISLAM’ says or what any other religion truly preaches. I can just put it in two words here: PEACE AND TOLERANCE.
I am against use of any religion or any other excuse as a tool of spreading hatred and intolerance. Please read: http://madkat70.instablogs.com/entry/will-hatred-be-modern-world-s-wmd/
What i dont understand is that why do u gyus feel that you are the only ones who condenm terrorism? Do u find me or other eductaed and sane Muslims supporting killing? I dont think so. But you seem to ignore all my comments where i have stated that IT IS WRONG. Your commnets sugest that its probably only Grace and you who love mankind and the rest pf the world, especially all the MUSLIMS are tyrants, whereas those who are invloved in these activities and hold such thoughts are but few. Every Muslim belives in PEACE and TOLERANCE and pls dont give under tones that all of them are killing in the name of religion.
Don’t put words in our mouth. NO ONE HERE IS TALKING ABOUT ALL MUSLIMS, WE ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RADICAL ISLAMISTS IN PHILLIPINES who as Grace says:
”What makes radical Islamists different from the kidnap-for-ransom guy who kills his hostage and the abortionist who snuffs out life for a fee is that: radical Islamists shout “Allahu Akbar!” after they kill.”
Secondly, I know you’ll condemn loudest because its your FAITH that has been misinterpreted by people who claim to be Islamists as well.
Right from the beginning I have said no one is putting blame on any religion or devout followers. We are talking about killings that are happening even at this very moment in the name of religion in Phillipines.
The same criticism stands for any and all religions guilty of such violence, Christianity is not exempt. I have even seen examples of Buddhist intolerance and violence (!!!).
I think that an article is yet to be written on the ways in which people inversely define themselves reflexively through their static texts in a search for personal continuity and psychological security in a world which offers them none...
Practiced on a mass scale, fundamentalism is but a step behind radicalism. And both spring from whatever we like to put as the moderate versions of religion. I said it elsewhere before and I say it again if one’s purpose is peaceful, one would as easily find teachings that further the same, else the verses calling for being interpreted for evil purposes are aplenty.
Is this the fault of the interpreter or of the scriptures? I believe it is the latter. You may decide on your own.
I would like to apologize to you on behalf of Mr. Balam because trust me the lines that he is going on simply reflects a very shameful part of our otherwise tolerant society.
Who has given you the right to speak for others? Don't try to be an ambassador for people who don't agree with you. Just mind your own business and voice your own thoughts. Don't be oversmart.
I have quoted from Holy Quran. It has not been denied. Every one is trying to explain the context in which it was said. My point is simply this; the terrorist who are caught in my country quote the same verses to justify their actions. It simply means that they have not understood the true essence of Islam. It is upon the Muslim community, intellectuals and devotees like Fariha and opinion makers like Hassan to clear their misinformation.
I have quoted history as was taught to us. With more knowledge available, some one will re-write or revise it.
Some one feels I am out for Islam bashing. I strongly deny it. The allegation is motivated. I use my right of reply. The opinion expressed is purely mine to generate a debate. If some one feels that I am trying to spread hatred between communities, I may say that the person is mistaken.
In Certain Masjids belonging to Barelvi school of thought, notices were publicly issued barring the entry of Deobandi and Muslims other than Barelvi for prayers. The matter was widely reported in local as well as national newspapers.
It raises a deeper question about the faith. Are all Muslims really equals? If so, why do they bar entry of each other in their houses of prayer?
It shows that sections within Muslim faith have rejected the radical version of Islam as anti Islamic. Radical Islam is Satan's own religion that is giving Allah's Islam (preached through his prophet) a tough time.
Who would believe liars like you.Any one can see this is a clip of a whore house with a madam,her dancing girl -and customers,and not a family.
Your credibality as a sensible reporter is impaired.so please desist from making such flawed posts.
Dear u dont have to apologize on anyone’s behalf. Those who are brimming with hatred have every excuse for it. We are all responsible for our own deeds. I am happy there are still some people who got to understand wat my intention here so far has been but they are very few and i think my articles have not done much good to bring understanding between ple. I think it was my folly to show light to those who are blind.
Thanks for your kindness Asmita; the world is still surviving as we have some good humans like u :)
Where oh where did I say that I paint the butchers as paragons of virtue, huh??
I saw that you wrote an article about Philippine history that is tilted.
Find below after this my comment to what you wrote.
FYI, Hassan, if you hate America, so do I. So, we have nothing to argue there, bro! You cannot expect me to come into the defense of USA.
I have written many articles somewhere else against stupid Islamphobia.
Over reacting already!Who asked you to defend Spanish and American actions in Philipines? You couldn’t do so even if you wanted to!
And I so understand your feelings when you say you want to puke over them.But to say you want to vomit isn’t enough-it is just semantics.Get a lesson from your countrymen and racial kin -though not the religious ones - The Moros; who have been doing more then simply vomiting and actually fighting for the last over 500 years against the injustice done to them.
The Holy Quran teaches the Muslims the meaning of Jehad,defining it very clearly.It is a fight against injustice or falsehood in what ever manner you can, it is thus always defensive in it’s basic concept-never offensive.Various forms are:
1.Physical War or Resistance.Waged with all means at one’s disposal to utterly destroy the fighting manpower of the oppressor;but maximum protection to his old people,incapicated,women and children.
2.If you cannot do that then adopt written or verbal opposition in all it’s forms.
3.If you cannot even do that then remain silent but always remain
mentally opposed to the injustice thus keeping the issue alive.A day may come when you will be able to triumph.
Can you see the beauty of the teaching.There is so concept of vomiting here;no despair;no hopelessness
ever - only a strategy for the champions of justice to eventually triump.No hypocrate and oppressor no matter how powerful could ever adopt successfully or even hope to counter such a perception.
That is why the poor ill equipped Moros have been able to wage their war for 500 years and survive with their belief and culture intact -while even powers like the Spanish and Americans have left
Oh yes,we have every thing to argue about!Why do you hate the Americans?I don’t.There are millions of Americans who now know and decry the injust actions of their government and church institutions even more forcefully then I do.Why should I hate them?
I only hate injustice and the governments and people of any race,color or religion who perpetuate it in any of it’s form anywhere -and that includes so called Muslims.But the Moros are not in any way one such people.
Finally if the article I wrote about Philipines is tilted,and you have read it.....I consider it so unethical of you to comment that it is tilted in this place where readers havn’t even read it;rather then joining the discussion at the proper forum where perhaps all who read my article could be alerted to the misinformation I am allegdely trying to feed them.
But, yes, I vomit.
The Moros have been fighting injustice done to them for over 500 years? Wow!
Who were they fighting with at the top of those ”over 500 years,” Hassan?
The Spaniards (their first enemy) only came in 1521, and officially claimed the Philippines as territory of New Spain by 1565.
Do the Math.
Take a shower.
Look up PERSECUTION COMPLEX.
It’s your choice as to what to do first of these three.
My comment to your totally propagandized article entitled: ”Islamic Heritage of the Philippines”
If your intention is to imply that we Filipinos hate our Islamic heritage (your title is very correct, kudos!), then you are gravely mistaken. The Philippines is a melting pot of colonizing cultures, and we are proud of our Islamic, Hindu, and Chinese heritages. It’s our Spanish and American pasts that we want to vomit.
In your rush to post a pro-Muslim propaganda, you missed the salient points which prove the fact that we are proud of our Islamic heritage.
Where are the Codes? Where is our ancient form of writing? How did the word “barangay’ travel a long way so much so that we, today, use the word to mean official geographical community? Where is the story of the Datus that all Filipinos learn in school as early as first grade? Do you know that many of our streets, towns, etc are named after our Muslim forefathers?
I can go on and on and on to mention what you have failed to say as our Islamic heritage.
This is total tragedy. Even the Muslims of the Philippines will rebuke you for doing this disservice.
It is precisely materials such as this that reek of ignorance that create rifts, instead of bridging gaps.
This post does not help the peace process in the Philippines right now. We are a peaceful people that want to accommodate one another because we are ALL Filipinos, Muslims and Christians alike (plus all other religious persuasions) – at the end of the day.
For your information, Filipinos love one another (Muslims and Christians alike). The Philippines is known proponent of Inter-Faith Dialogue. It’s RADICAL ISLAMISTS that we will not put up with (Muslims and Christians alike).
We don’t need people like you to further widen rifts. We are okay as we are. You have no right to imply that we do not love our Islamic heritage. You, a Muslim who is supposed to be an advocate of peace, are doing precisely the opposite.
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
PS
Your cut-and-paste production of various rip-offs over here could use various revisions and corrections. I will not do the work for you. Go back to the drawing board. You should have consulted materials from the Sultanate of Sulu Research Center with which, if you did, you would have spoken to me.
You reply to my article at this place ,rather then at the proper place which is in the comments to the article itself indicates that you have lost your wits.Don’t you want to correct my alleged misinformations at the place where they occur so that anyone who reads them is at once alerted to my fraud...or would you rather let them stand unchallenged!!!
So I will not reply to this unashamedly false and evasively misleading comment here.It has no relationship to what I wrote as anyone who reads my article will be able to judge.However after two days when I post my next article on Philipines I will copy paste this reply of yours at it’s proper ploace along with my comments on what I think of it..
Over here I will only reply to one of your comments which is of a general nature,for it proves you obviously don’t practice what you preach:
You are not a Filipino, and does not have (and will never have) the right to create misleading implications about our Muslim brothers and sisters. That is not a privilege of yours.
If you believed in that then you are neither a Muslim,nor a Hindu nor even a Pakistani or an Indian..... so why then do you write so many such articles.Shouldn’t you confine yourself to just Philipine issues.
Why are you defending the terrorists and justifying what they do?
PS
If you read my articles, they were related to the Philippines. They are confined to the Philippine setting, and are related to the resurgence of radical Islamist violence in southern Philippines over the past week.
PPS
I already told you earlier. If you cannot substantiate what you mean when you said I don’t even know the history of my country, then I cannot take you seriously.
So, my suggestion was for you to go back to the drawing board and reread whatever materials you ripped off for your write-up.
Instead of a straight forward reply to my queries you are again off with your strange twisted arguements and evasive and diversionarty tactics.These can’t get you off the hook madam!
Now you think accusing me of being an ISLAMIC RADICAL will scare me.Well I am not the innocent ,simple and pure hearted Fariha whom double tongued people like you have almost driven off this blog.If standing up for justice means ISLAMIC RADICALism then indeed I am one.
The Moros are not terrorists.They have been oppressed for over or almost 500 years (whats a few years in such a long war,they can continue for another 500 years if need be)They have a right to defend their lands,their culture,their beliefs and values....no amount of your lies can change that.I stand for justice everywhere...
That is why I cannot take you seriously because ALREADY you are VERY BIASED with what you write. You read somewhere that Moros have been oppressed and killed for centuries, you make it as the ONLY FACT AND THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE.
So, I don’t know if you are making your own propaganda or believing the propaganda that you make.
The Philippines isn’t condoning or tolerating the injustices done to Moros by the Spaniards and the Americans. It’s all over our history books, for crying out loud!
And DO NOT EQUATE Moros with Radical Islamists. Oh man oh man, the Moros will hate you for that!
No I just opposed state terrorism.But you wouldn’t understand my reply as you havn’t researched the moro issue.You will havt to wait till I have compleated my third one.but the first one I have posted about Muslims and the Spanish gives just a very brief and concise historical background to the problem.
I suggest you read it,and offer your comments there if you truly want a constructive dialogue on the issue.
@Hasan you need to chill. Like-minded people would soon start tracking you :P
You need no advertising on this forum. :P
This is precisely what you are over reacting about.The article only gives a cocise history of Philipines the Muslims and Spanish period and hilights certain facts.instead of dealing with those there ,you are already worried about what is to come next.
I shall certainly bring those issues up at the proper time in my third article.Let every one to get to know the basic issues first.NO?
As for the killing or depravation of Moro rights of Moros for centuries ,it has come up in these comments.I havn’t got to that stage in my articles yet.No? So am I right in assuming you deny such killing and deprivation of rights? If that be the case might it not be the civilised behaviour that you hold your opinion on this issue and I mine till we get to the article in which I discuss the current state of the problem?
I owe my Muslim brothers and sisters in the Philippines the duty to write about the atrocities of radical Islamists (who even Muslims themselves abhor).
You should have taken to heart the caveat that I wrote at the top of the article which goes:
”I have to get this out of the way from the outset. I am not using the phrase ‘radical Islam.’ I am using ‘radical Islamism.’ I do not refer here to Islam, the religion. I refer to Islamism that is not essentially the same as Islam. If some people equate the two, it shall no longer be within the purview of what I intend to say.”
I am disheartened that you are even one of those who equate Islam with radical Islamism. I was intending this caveat for non-Muslims, really.
My two posts wich you have singled out as an attack on Islam are really about radical Islamists.
Anyway, there are the readers who could judge the articles.
Fariha, this is a heartfelt message to you from a sister who found you here in Instablogs.
I am an adopted daughter of one of the Muslim Sultanates in Mindanao. I am not a criticizer of Islam. But I will not stop to tell the story of how radical Islamists have been oppressing their fellow Muslims in Mindanao. It’s my oppression, too!
I have nothing against u wrting abt wat is happening there. May b we are misunderstanding each other. I was only condenming those who hit on Islam rather than terrorism itself in such like articles. I totally understand ur intention here girl and have no offences beleive me. I also know that all Muslims are not saints... the only point of my concern is that some ple just take liberty to write watever crap comes to their mind and vomit such articles with them, which change the entire course of the writing! I have not found your posts attacking Islam at all; i only elaborted them telling wat is hapening alaround us because those who are actually enemies of Islam and not Islamophibia find it a great platform to carry out their hateful activities.
So pls dont misunderstand me girl. I honestly dont beleive that u were hiting ’Islam’ in any way... in fact you have explained in a very logical way the true Islam and the spolied version. I am sorry if any of my comments gave u such like impression... but if u wud go through some comments on both the posts, u wud know why i said wat i did. Hope u will understand.
But now I understand what you mean and I believe you.
It’s a process that we’re going through, girl. Don’t you see how we complement each other here? While you write about what Islam is about and should be, I write about enterprising people who twist the religion for their ulterior motives.
It’s my intention to show that it’s the misinterpretation of some Muslims that is bringing on the sad state. And I make sure that, with what I write, I make clear that it’s about people, not about Islam nor the Qur’an.
I really wanna separate radical Islamists from the Islam faith because as one of the comments had said: these are not Muslims.
But it will be a long and painful process for us. We have to have nerves of steel to accept comments that are painful.
Hey, Hassan even wrote an entire article about Islamic Heritage of the Philippines to probably show how Muslims in the P
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Surah 3.
28. Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
85. If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
152. Allah did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,-until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. Among you are some that hanker after this world and some that desire the Hereafter. Then did He divert you from your foes in order to test you but He forgave you: For Allah is full of grace to those who believe.
Surah 8.
12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): ”I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.
65. O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Surah 9.
5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
14. Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believer.
23. O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.
73. O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.
123. O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.
Surah 25
52. Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness, with the (Qur’an).
Surah 29
49. Nay, here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.
Surah 32
22. And who does more wrong than one to whom are recited the Signs of his Lord, and who then turns away therefrom? Verily from those who transgress We shall exact (due) Retribution.
Surah 47
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Surah 48.
20. Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall acquire, and He has given you these beforehand; and He has restrained the hands of men from you; that it may be a Sign for the Believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path;
28. It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is Allah for a Witness.
Surah 49
15. Only those are Believers who have believed in Allah and His Messenger, and have never since doubted, but have striven with their belongings and their persons in the Cause of Allah: Such are the sincere ones.
Surah 61
4. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.
Surah 66
9. O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).
Surah 90
19. But those who reject Our Signs, they are the (unhappy) Companions of the Left Hand.
20. On them will be Fire vaulted over (all round).
I’m starting to think that Muslims who see through their scriptures may just be the hope for a much-needed change in these violent times.
Good luck with your anti-Islam campaign.
Your logic is twisted because you are looking with blinkered and jaundiced eyes of Islam.
Your forefathers must have been Hindus. Ask your elders how they embraced Islam? By beating or by getting convinced that Islam is the only religion for salvation. Your city is not La-whore. It is the city named on Princle Lav, the son of King Ram of Ayodhya.