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Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace what are you saying? You have made me think twice about everything that I have learned till now. Are you really saying what you are saying? And if so, is it good news or bad news? If the HIV virus has not been isolated among humans, is it all just a hoax? Would even the WHO lie? I dunno how I must react to this. I’m shaken.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jaiblast, I have the same impression!

But if AIDS is a hoax, then: flue and tuberculosis may be too, cause so far this diseases haven’t a cure.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oops, tuberculosis has cure.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I still wanna believe AIDS is a hoax.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

That’s precisely the desired effect of all these.

When collective panic is sown among the masses, the hope and promise of a solution is utterly believable!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Celprick, I had TB once.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Celso, some of the 29 AIDS defining illnesses are curable (except for the cancers, maybe).

AIDS is NOT a disease!

It is a CATEGORY lumping together these 29 familiar illnesses.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You started a very ”dangerous” and fun game! Before I start to argue with you, I need to know if in Asia AIDS is considered a big deal. Here, though there are more than 60 thousands people contaminated, AIDS don’t scare too much because people can live more than 20 years with the remedies that government give for free.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Because there is a popular definition of AIDS (based on an HIV hypothesis), patients are tagged as AIDS patients. In reality, they are sick of any of those 29 familiar illnesses ONLY.

But AIDS is not a disease. It’s a category to which those illnesses belong.

Like I said up there, pneumonia plus HIV+ test is AIDS, but pneumonia plus HIV- is plain pneumonia.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Celso, AIDS is a big deal worldwide!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

AIDS in Brazil:

Though there are 400 thousand infected (I researched on the website of the Ministry of Health), the growth rate has decreased significantly and the ”treatment” is effective, unless such inaccessible places, such as forests or arid regions.

Most young people do not care anymore, because they are no longer afraid of (what is a big mistake). The infection rate is 18 per 100 thousand inhabitants.

Other diseases have become viewed as more dangerous, since epidemics such as dengue, malaria, yellow fever kill proportionately more, not to mention tuberculosis (20 million Brazilians are infected).

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Rules governing AIDS vary from country to country (I gave an example in the article). The AIDS establishment has the power to limit news and control the flow of information. It started with the CDC, and it still largely rests there.

The reason for the sudden declines in number (India has also announced a significant decline) is because the rules of the game have been changed again.

Good for Brazil if it decides to concentrate on the really life threatening diseases. It’s about time to go back to those and spend on those instead what are usually earmarked for the global AIDS fund.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace, if your intention was to create a controversy, you succeeded! LOL! It may even be one of those ”lost in translation” problem, but your final metaphor gave me the impression that you said that the difficulties in finding a cure for this disease are more the result of greed of large laboratories than a reality.

If so, I agree with you to the point that the big labs have their own agenda. But the cure for this disease is something very hard to find (and I’m talking from a ”different perspective”: Brazil is the only country (as far as I know) which broke all patents to produce all drugs and medicines (or whatever name is) in laboratories that do not seek profit because they belong to the government.

If not, I’ll have to read again and again and again...

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I agree too, that there could be a conspiracy from the side of pharmaceutical companies and pother such industries to make more money in the name of HIV and AIDS. However, I still don’t get it.. I mean, to believe HIV is a hoax needs a lot of shaking ones feathers off...

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

There is no single scientific proof published that says HIV has been isolated. So there!

Ergo, there is no conclusion to the HIV hypothesis.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes, we have been fooled for nearly 3 decades.

This expose will come in a series.

Coming up:

The Myth of the AIDS Test

The Myth of the AIDS Risk Groups

The Myth of the AIDS Cure

The Myth of the Global AIDS Policy

Like I said up there: This is another power of nightmares.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hey I still don’t understand if you are being metaphorical or if AIDS is really a myth. Then what about the statistics? And I have seen AIDS patients, they don’t look great!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I can’t wait to read. Why don’t you post it all at once and stop teasing us like this?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

’AIDS patients’ succumb to any of the 29 familiar illnesses. That has nothing to do with AIDS - just those familiar illnesses.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And who produces those statistics?

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

But AIDS is disease that weakening the immune system, it is clear that other opportunistic diseases attacking humans.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Immune deficiency and immune suppression are caused by exposure to risk factors such as those risk factors of any of those familiar diseases.

It’s the same thing as in olden days. he same risk factors.

Only this time, if you test positive in that HIV test, you will automatically fall under the category of AIDS patient. When actually what you have is only yeast infection! LOL

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

It certainly is a dangerous game to say AIDS is a myth. I’m beginning to wory about all the unprotected sex this might encourage. We still have gonorrhoea, syphilis, chlamydia, pubic lice, and something else that Celprick knows better.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You know what?

The HUGE funds that go to AIDS should, in fact, go to alleviating the other diseases.

This nightmare has also spread the rumor that sleeping around causes AIDS. I’ll tackle that in the myth of the AIDS risk groups installment of this series.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Celduh was talking about Genital warts

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Does that mean we can all sleep with a number of people without any qualms?

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oh boy... are you reading books like ”Da Vinci Code”?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

No, you may not sleep with a number of people and still stay safe. Because then, you will get STDs.

Then you will be put under the HIV test, and you will test positive, then you will be given extremely harsh drugs (anti-AIDS drugs) that will weaken you and make you look like a corpse, and eventually will weaken your immune system, then you will die, then you will automatically be an AIDS statistic.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

AIDS is a condition in which your immune system is attacked and hence, you are more susceptible to all the 29 diseases and you are more likely to die of those 29 diseases because, your body can’t protect itself anymore and even medicines don’t help.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Read the link of toxic drugs up there on the article.

AZT can kill!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Btw, AZT is chemotherapy for cancer. We know that chemo destroys the good cells, along with the bad.

Many cancer patients die because their bodies cannot handle the effects of chemo.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I really don’t get this. Have we been getting scared by something that doesn’t exist? But how can every single government of every country lie? From what you are saying, I understand that after being diagnosed with HIV infection, people are made to consume toxic anti-retro viral drugs and that leads to complications and they die of AIDS. What about those that never get to take these medicines and die sooner? I have seen them here in India. AIDS patients dying like insects, because they can’t afford medicines..

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

That’s because their immune systems are already weak. There are other reasons for immune deficiency such as malnutrition, unhealthy surroundings, poor diets, etc.

Immune deficiency means poor(est) of health. Take away HIV from the equation, and you will still have the good old reasons for immune deficiency. Right?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

They created the all-time panacea of ”anti-AIDS drugs.” These even come in so-called ”combo cocktails.”

A poor child inflicted with a life threatening disease (from the list of 29 illnesses) that will surely test HIV+ will be given these harsh drugs. How do you think the already weak body of the child will react to these harsh drugs?

That’s the tragedy that has befallen the AIDS phenomenon in Africa.

But that’s for another article in this series. :)

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I finally understand what you’re saying, at least I think I do. If you are suggesting that AIDS is more a social problem, I totally agree, as well a political problem .

But to eradicate this from its roots is almost a dream because it would be necessary to change the ”world order”.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Correct!

Do you know how a terrorist looks like? You REALLY don’t, do you? An image of how he looks like is just implanted in your mind. Or my mind. Have millions just like us, and we have Islamophobia. A certain fear has been instilled on mankind so much so that we live in fear.

Now, change some variables there with HIV and AIDS, and there you’ll see the logic behind all these.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Both terror and AIDS have been big businesses.

That’s the power of nightmares.

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

To my terrorist look like my neighbor, well, and me...Our terrorist are our own. no change in figure or color, just more gold, money, and power.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hehe...Oscar, the terrorist will have an arsenal while we only have a lone handgun. But he or she will be living right down the corner, shop from the same malls, and buy groceries from the same supermarket.

Surreal, right?

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I will be very honest with you guys! When I read ”expensive drugs and treatment” I completely have forgot that most of the countries don’t give free drugs and treatment like in Brazil.

It’s a shame that governments around the world are cowards and have so much fear of US. Brazil did and what happened? A lot of complains, but US and other European countries couldn’t do anything about it.

Plus: Brazil’s minister of health (at the time José Serra) who did this has been praised worldwide for his courage.

What those companies would do? Leave the country? If so, broke the patents and start to produce locally!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Soon, countries will follow Brazil’s example. With the gradually rising anti-AIDS campaign of AIDS dissidents (mostly doctors and scientists).

Brazil might be giving free drugs but the state is actually subsidizing it. The state still pays for those drugs to the big pharma MNCs.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You know what? AZT (the most famous AIDS drug) is just the good old cancer chemotherapy. The patent expired in 2005. Hence, it became public domain. Soon after, at least 4 generic brands of it have come out.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Btw, AIDS drugs do not cure AIDS. They just prolong (the agony).

Aren’t we made to believe that there is no cure to AIDS?

Don’t you see where the cute business tactics lie?

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Brazil pays a very low price for those drugs which are nor produced here (U$S 0,49 each pill). But does not pay royalties.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

If it isn’t paying royalties to GlaxoSmithKline, then Brazil must be now using the generic types after the 2005 patent expired.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Finally you said that! Why did you take so long to do it? LOL!

I wouldn’t go that far, but who knows? But if they did, though is a horrible thing to do, all capitalism works like that.

Almost all food we eat have something that can kill us! Cars kill more that cigarettes (in accidents or because the pollution)! We live in a bad world and before get better, things will get way worse.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The drugs Brazil don’t produce, the government buy from India.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

*doesn’t.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

GSK had a good 20-year (patent life) career with AZT. LOL!

The patent expired in 2005, and AIDS was officially announced in 1984.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Which brings me to another thought... hehe...

The reason why there is a decline in AIDS cases in both Brazil and India is because these two countries are drug manufacturers. With gov’t subsidies, the countries will not make money, in return, because there will not be an internal market. LOL

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And the next thing you’ll say is ”even if someone else find a cure, a new suspicious-monkey disease will come up and will take 30 years to anyone find the cure”.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

LOLZ!

I bet the next trend will be on mental illnesses. No more monkeys this time, just humans. Hehehe...

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Come on Grace, don’t you wanna see ”The Age of Zombies”?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

What’s that?? LOL!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The new monkey-disease will make half of humanity become zombies. The name of this new disease will be Romero’s syndrome (http://www.houseofhorrors.com/romero.htm)!

Radhika

Radhika — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

OMG, The comments after the article are more fun than the article itself..

no offense Grace...

Now all 3 of u have got me so confused and i really don’t know WHO (no pun intended) and what to believe!

Plz educate me a little over here!

CC Celso & Jaiyant

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

When I read this article I thought ”Well, that’s it! Let me call a team of psychiatrists for Grace”. LOL!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hehe...Radhika and Celso!

Yeah, I must be crazy coming out with these.

But there’s something to tell and reveal here so as not to fool people anymore.

I will explain some more with the upcoming articles in this series.

Hang on!

I can’t contain them all in one or two pieces only because it’s very long. This first one is already lengthy, and it’s just for starters.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

”Starters”? Grace, you amuses me!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Off topic: and for some reason I’m starting to write like Smeagal, from ”Lord of the Rings”.

My preciousssss...

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Radhika, we are all confused too. However, it now seems like the medical lobby has been lying a lot. If not the complete non existence of HIV, we at least are not told the complete truth behind the virus. However, I am wary of believing HIV doesn’t exist..

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace,

I am surprised to read this post. Maybe there are two sides of a coin like in the case of global warming...one group has given set of diseases a name of AIDS and has set the ball of drugs, death, statistics rolling and the other group is calling it all hoax...also just like global warming, hardly anyone is serious about prevention and cure, we are seeing and suffering the effects of it all!

This is indeed shocking, first they were manufacturing ’consent’ and now they are manufacturing ’truth’ and they have majority with them!

I am waiting for your other posts...

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Ofcourse much ’funds’ are involved in both cases!

Corporates are taking us on a big ride!

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I can’t wait until your next post. I do understand that A.I.D.S. does not kill, nobody DIES Of AIDS, they dies of AIDS related complications. You have me really thinking, another sleepless night of pondering..Thanks Grace.

Vijay

Vijay — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Even after spending this much of money still there’s no medicine to cure or vaccine to protect.

”After nearly three decades and more than $50 billion in federal AIDS funding, there is still no significant understanding of HIV, still no safe and effective therapies have been produced, and still no hope to ending AIDS.”

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

How is it with scientist and doctors from all over the world who are cloning animals, stem cell work, regenerations, why can’t any seperate and single out T-cells or regenerate them.. So simple , yet so far off, it seems.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

There are diseases that are too hard to find a cure. Look at flue, for instance.

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

You said it, Celso and Oscar...

Now I am doubting the whole bloody medical research and enterprise!

Maybe they’ll never invent cure for diseases but would rather invent new diseases!

Grace, you opened another pandora’s box...

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Flu, migraine, and all those other ailments are just made out to be illnesses, Celso. LOL

They can actually be cured by drinking lots of water and having lots of rest!

They are messages from our bodies telling us to slow down.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The medical lobby has always been dubious. And you know what I feel about the field of Psychology. Psychology is a bigger hoax than HIV and AIDS, if they really are hoaxes too.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hi Oscar, thanks for the comment.

Scientists are great, brilliant, and work as quickly as they can. So, it is rather baffling that science is already in stem cell research but still can’t isolate the so-called human immunodeficiency virus even after billions of research funds and nearly three decades.

Makes one think that maybe, just maybe...there’s nothing to isolate!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I really wish there is nothing to isolate! That would be great news to millions who are supposedly HIV+. Think about all the societal discrimination meted out to them. I can’t remember which, but there have been instances of HIV people being murdered or burned because of their HIV status.

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Don’t you think sometimes, due to capital gain or over intelligence, these issues are OVER thought, leaving one blind to the obvious? Here in Mexico, 11 km from my home, there is a pig farm, the man sells pigs for consumtion, etc...but his sister has a stake in the farm and she is a doctor. She has people from all of Mexico and the world come for treatments for Parkinson, diabetes and more. She uses the glands from fetal pigs and it has shown incredible movement in aiding the victims of these illness, without drugs. Maybe like mathamatics. My son had problems with Math, I couldn’t help him, Trig is waell over my head..My father explained it it minutes..He said teachers and society make all realm of mathamatics difficult with fancy words, formulas, and more..When it comes down to it, numbers are numbers the same we use for simple addition, subtraction, etc and the true ways of solving any Mathamatical problems are to return to the simple root.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hello Grace and everyone else.. I did some browsing and found out there really is a lot of controversy surrounding HIV and the AIDS. The main argument of those who claim AIDS to be a hoax is that the HIV has not been isolated and AIDS is just a name for a collection of diseases. And then we have the dubious pharmacological lobby which has been pushing for drugs that are not effective so that they are still in business.

With these in mind, it is very easy to construct black and white thinking. A lobby that says AIDS and HIV are real and that there is no cure and the other one calling it all a hoax. I, in fact am caught between the two and I would definitely not go with the pharmacological or political lobbies.

However, to call HIV a complete sham and a lie maybe a little too much. It may even send out wrong signals to the target populations on whom we spend millions to create HIV/AIDS awareness. Though HIV may not exist as we know it, I think we still need to be wary about the virus, whatever it might be called or whatever its status of existence might be.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yeas, it’s good to be critical, Jaiyant. I went that way, too.

But just think: How many lives have been wasted with those VERY HARSH anti-AIDS drugs? When all that time, the malnourished children in Africa, for instance, were suffering from other illnesses and not this so-called AIDS!

People wanted us to bark up the wrong tree and it was billions of dollars worth of barking up!

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes, Jaiyant, suffering remains a reality though virus may remain a controversy...

But this is serious matter and they better get serious before

selling/distributing HIV drugs...also what about the social stigma that HIV status brings along?

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Madhuri and Grace, most drugs that are sold are many a times placebos. They are not even drugs! The pharmaceuticals need to survive, but then, if AIDS is a hoax and if they are cashing in on such a lie, then I have nothing to say. I still feel AIDS and HIV do exist and have caused countless deaths but we are not told the truth about its nature. HIV status means you are not part of the society, you don’t get jobs, you don’t get laid, you can’t use same towels and the list goes on. I have read about HIV positive people being thrown out of their houses and also losing jobs.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sure people die because of medicines, but this happens with ALL medications! Even aspirin can kill, but I don’t think we should stop take them.

Last year I submit myself to a surgery to remove a tumor and after I got a serious infection, then I took antibiotics.

Not everything can be seen as a conspiracy because it is a fact that people’s lives improved considerably after that these drugs began to be produced and distributed.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

That’s right, Celso. Medical science has indeed saved lives. Medicines save lives.

But you know what?

There are people who have been diagnosed as sick of AIDS, and they defied the doctors’ orders, and stopped taking those harsh AIDS drugs, and remain to be alibe till today!

There’s a link up there on the article. I linked it to the word ”Myths” towards the end of the article.

That’s a video of the anti-AIDS movement. Watch it and see that there are people who rebuked the AIDS diagnosis and remained alive.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yeah...maybe I did, Madkat...

Pleas read the upcoming installments in this series. Maybe, you’ll shake your head even more. LOL

Yeah, they invented a category to lump up 29 familiar illnesses, slapped on a dubious HIV testing, and sentenced a patient to be ”dying” of AIDS.

Actually, no one dies of AIDS! These patients die of one of any of those old diseases.

But in the process, they were prescribed very harsh ”anti-AIDS drugs” that only ruined their systems more.

Hence, they die (and looked drugged out, wiped out before they go).

WE HAVE BEEN DUPED!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I’m waiting for the next installment eagerly too. But then why do people who are not given these drugs die faster than the ones that are given the drugs?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Who says that?

The AIDS establishment has had a way of controlling its news and outbound information.

Fact is each and everyone of us has a different level of immunity to diseases. There is no formal study that says those who took AIDS drugs live longer than those who didn’t.

It all depends on factors such as individual immune levels, as well as exposure to risk factors.

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I feel prolonged malnourishment ruins the immune system...

Look,western world has been more open and US has alarmingly high number of migrants and also teenage pregnancies, so HIV should be more prevalent there too...but its the poor Africa and other poor developing nations where the virus is spreading more...

I think more than awareness its more to do with the health and well being of the population...

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Right, Madkat!

That is why when we are told that AIDS is devastating the Third World, we close our eyes and try to imagine - how can they die of something that is not a disease?

Like I said up there on the article MYTHS CANNOT CAUSE A DISEASE.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hygiene also matters doesn’t it? Africa has one of the worst sanitation levels and is the breeding grounds for diseases.

If what you are saying is true, then we are all contributing to the nurture of the biggest lie. But then again, I am not sure.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes, Madkat, right now I can’t help but sing Bruce Springsteen’s ’Streets of Philadelphia.’

The character of Tom Hanks in that movie, a brilliant lawyer dying of AIDS and fired because if the stigma of AIDS, is a perfect example of a victim during the early years of this AIDS phenomenon.

When asked on the witness stand why he wanted to be a lawyer, he said that he wants it because there’s a chance to be part of the triumph of justice.

This is what this whole thing has been about. This phenomenon of AIDS redefined the meaning of justice going to the dogs!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Ok, I will fall for that. If we start to analyse things based on this view, everything is bad and should be vanished: cars, religions, food, drinks, all forms of entertainment, drugs, everything, because anything can kill you and are controlled by corporations.

The only conclusion then is: there is no justice, all capitalists things should be destroyed and let’s start a new world order. But, socialism and communism is worse than capitalism! Anarchy only works for very small groups. So what should we do?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I say, the only thing we should do is be very critical of what is fed us via news and new information.

People are duped because they believe easily.

I say, always look for balanced views.

Oppression only works on people who easily believe.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This reminds me of the myth of Sisyphus

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And I am paranoid.. Wonder where that leaves me.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hehe... you don’t believe in anything, you agnostic you!

So, that makes you free of any existential angst down the road.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sisyphus, yes!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

LOL!

Finished with my woman

’cause she couldn’t help me with my mind

People think I’m insane

because I am frowning all the time

All day long I think of things

but nothing seems to satisfy

Think I’ll lose my mind

if I don’t find something to pacify

Can you help me, occupy my brain?

Oh yeah

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I need someone to show me

the things in life that I can’t find

I can’t see the things

that make true happiness, I must be blind

Make a joke and I will

sigh and you will laugh and I will cry

Happiness I cannot

feel and love to me is so unreal

And so as you hear

these words telling you now of my state

I tell you to enjoy life

I wish I could but it’s too late

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I had explored the scary proposition of blind belief to religion and journalism.

AIDS is an example of blind belief on SCIENCE!

Now we see that there is a common ground between science and religion.

Science isn’t all that impervious to its own ”dogma.”

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well, in the case of AIDS science almost became religion-like laying norms for social behaviour as well!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oh so true, Madkat!

The phenomenon of AIDS has managed for nearly three decades to dictate fear, paranoia, and blind belief in people.

Isn’t that what religion does?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Don’t you see it, guys?

When man makes myths, we start believing in miracles!

I said that before about religion, and I’ll say it now about science.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Indeed this one true, but humans need to believe in something, is a primitive instinct on us.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Believing is ok, so long as it’s not blind belief!

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace, that’s a dream! Humans need to be controlled because most of us are empty,

wasting genetic material.

To be critic is a necessary thing, but 70% of people just follow others without even think or questioning!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

This I agree to.. Both science and religion were created by humans. And science gave us something to be happy about at least. Science isn’t as bad as religion. But then it has all the shortcomings of religion itself. Because, lobbies have been created just like religious ones.. And you know what happens next. And I don’t believe anything that is given to me either. I’m at the other extreme end. I just can’t believe anything I’m told!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hehe...Celso, you just spoke like a true capitalist!

”Humans need to be controlled because most of us are empty, wasting genetic material. To be critic is a necessary thing, but 70% of people just follow others without even think or questioning!”

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace, do you really believe that people are able to act critically? I live in a country were people believe in exorcisms, we are far from be a country that believes in science.

And what I see on the streets? Ignorant people trying to find a excuse to hate each other so they can distance themselves from their own pain.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oh, yes, people can act critically. But there has to be the intervention of EDUCATION.

People act the way they do, believe in the things they believe in, because they do not know OTHERWISE.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Educations is the second step. People have to want that first. If Education would be the answer, people from England, US and other rich countries would have deposed their leaders!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I’m sure some, if not most, would want to depose their leaders. It’s just that their leaders are representatives only of bigger establishments that are too tough to topple.

By education, I mean critical thinking. Anybody can learn about philosophy or maybe information technology but to apply the knowledge critically is another thing.

People should be taught to think independently.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Sure they should, however they don’t. Lots because they can’t and lots because don’t want.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

But some will still do. Those are the hope of their fatherlands.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes, Jaiyant, Africa suffers from some of the harshest environmental conditions. Lack of water, lack of potable water, the heat of desertification, very poor hygiene due to marginalized impoverished conditions, drought, famine, lack of food.

All these can lead to poor immune systems.

But Africa is not being devastated by AIDS. There are other reasons for illnesses over there.

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Africa needs education, unbiased uncluttered education. Education about truth. But then we all need to know what truth is. In fact there may be no truth and no lie. And there may not even be something called pain or joy.. Just a state of mind. And we make it all up.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Poverty, malaria, rich nations, etc... they are part of this sad equation, but AIDS is part, isn’t it?

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Yes, Celso, AIDS is part of the reality of the last (nearly) three decades.

It’s been the biggest thing!

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT IT ISN’T EVEN A DISEASE!

When we should be concentrating the funds on alleviating the conditions of dysentery, cardiac arrest, diabetes, breast and cervical cancers, etc, which are more life-threatening because these are the top killers of people, we throw the funds into the quest for the solution to ’AIDS’ (which is just a category that brings together 29 familiar illnesses that the world already knows about).

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Grace, I am agnostic yes, and paranoid like hell. And not believing in anything doesn’t make one immune to existential angst. I have it more, because, I still question my existence and neither science nor religion can answer such questions. Believers have their books to provide the shell they need against the angst. I have no shell and I’m more vulnerable to existential angst.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Then use that angst to be critical of what people include in your objective reality.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Most of people will always believe in something, no matter what!

For more capitalist or pessimist that I’m sounding, it’s undeniable that! So ALL people around the world should have Education, sure! But do you have any idea of how long it will take for this happens?

To be critic is necessary a lot of conditions, but the most important is ”willing” to be so. Now tell me, how many people do you know that have critic spirits?

Madhuri Katti

Madhuri Katti — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Jaiyant, my aunt often says this about me -living without beliefs and shells to retreat into is being courageous as well!

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Not a lot of people are critical, Celso! Because the status quo is a big comfort zone.

All the more if such a seemingly impervious and highly credible establishment such as medical science says that there is a dreaded disease that’s spreading like a pandemic and there’s no cure!

It’s the natural reaction of people to JUST BE AFRAID.

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And the cycle is closed: people are afraid, corporations and religions know that and make profits of it. People should be critical, but they don’t. I don’t see how to scape from that.

It’s almost a ”natural” order of the things, of the civilisation.

Grace Calderon

Grace Calderon — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

And those who jump out of the vicious cycle of this natural order are called revolutionaries and heroes.

See? There’s still hope!

:)

Celso Camargo

Celso Camargo — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hope will always exist, but only because bad things will always happen! LOL!

Jaiyant Cavale

Jaiyant Cavale — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Angst alone can’t do much.. And that helplessness results in greater angst. So there... Grace, to be heroes, we need to get out of that system as you say. But see everything is so murky and ridden with deceit and lies. To make sense out of this clutter takes a lot of intelligence and will power. Which most of us don’t have.. See, I still find it hard to believe HIV is a hoax. Maybe when I wake up tomorrow, I will know that HIV is a cruel joke. Madhuri, not believing in anything is definitely very difficult and a lonely way of living life to! Celso, hope is the most oppressive situation.

Deepa

Deepa — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Bravo Grace, this post of urs has set the ball rolling. You have dared to go against the general (mis)perceptions of millions.

I understand the fact that HIV+ve doesn’t mean the patient is gonna die.

It is the immune system at risk. But then human body’s immune system is held up even when someone is sick with simple cold, cough or tummy infection.

If left untreated or unattended even these trivial illnesses take a toll on life.

However you have come here with facts and figures break the myths surrounding aids.

I have always resorted to Homeopathy medication all my life. And somewhere down the line I can come to terms with all the facts that you have penned down on the basis of my experience with Homeopathy.

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I have strted using homeoathic drugs and lots of water as well. Traditional medicine covers the illness and treats a symptom, then you need another drug for the other symptom, where as homeopathic is treating the body and the root. Maybe we are fighting illness in reverse. We need to inject more funds into strenghtening our internal weakness and less into weakening a strong symptom.

Incognito

Incognito — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oscar, actually most holistic treatments are far better than allopathic (western) ones, though homeopathy seems to have the least amount of potential side-effects etc, if any.

I am on herbs and supplements, only, for Rheumatoid Arthritis and doing very well. I highly recommend researching alternative methods to healing.

We also need to look more into prevantative medicine, as well.

Incognito

Incognito — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Great post, Grace, but I don’t buy it. I’m an actress and AIDS (and all the various diseases associated with it) decimated a HUGE section of the entertainment industry (gays) during the 80s and 90s when promiscuous, unprotected sex was de rigeur. I had many dear gay friends die from the disease. If AIDS is a hoax perpetrated on the human population by the pharmaceutical industry, if I understand your hypothesis correctly, then how do you explain disproportiate deaths amongst certain sections of the population? Gays, drug users (those sharing needles), blood transfusion recipients etc. Almost all of these have to do with ”blood” and exchanging of fluids.

I would agree that there is something suspect with pharma. companies. There are probably cures for everything that the companies are holding back, but to insinuate that a disease doesn’t exist and esp. with AIDS, is rather irresponsible. If people don’t think AIDS exists, unprotected sex will make a huge resurgence, and the pandemic will re-occur.

Maybe I missed something in your post.

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I don’t think you have missed anything, I think it’s just taking a view from a different angle and dibunking societies views and myths. Many are searching for a cure for A.I.D.S, but A.I.D.S. does not kill. We seem geared to cure what is not there. With A.I.D.S. death may be caused by a common cold..

Incognito

Incognito — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

I don’t know Oscar... people with cancer or heart disease might die from pneumonia because of a weakened or compromised immune system (which is what people with AIDS have), that doesn’t mean they didn’t have cancer or heart disease.

As I mentioned, I have Rheumatoid Arthritis which is an auto-immune disorder. People with compromised immune systems are also more likely to get sick from food-borne illnesses.. if I was to die from food-poisoning, that still doesn’t mean I didn’t have R.A.

Oscar

Oscar — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Oh no Incognito,

I’m not saying the sickness is a myth..I think the ways choosen to treat it, or the ways portrayed to us for treating it are not seeing the picture correctly. It seems as if we are looking to CURE something that is essentially many common ailments, yet prove deadly for the AIDS compromised body. I think we should focus more on the body itself versus the symptoms that ail it.